Are gay folks getting too much attention?

Evosparki · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:29

Its ironic really. Religions have always basically hated gay people.
And pride is a sin, yet gay people are promoting "gay pride".
Religion is the number one killer of the world - fact.

So, as a society. we're accepting gay people as normal. Then how can we accept religion if it conflicts with their beliefs?

DrToffnar · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:30

Angilion said:
I'm not convinced that tolerance is a despicable thing. In fact, I think it's a very good thing.

I much prefer 'acceptance'. At best, 'tolerance' is an unhealthy compromise.

Rifte · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:30

Angilion said:
I'm not convinced that tolerance is a despicable thing. In fact, I think it's a very good thing.

In an ideal scenario we wouldn't need to 'tolerate' anything because differences wouldn't matter.

The reality is though that for some people differences will always be there and 'tolerance' is the next best thing.

So yes, its not a bad thing at all.

Angilion · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:31

TheLegendOfMart said:
Try and catch up, I thought his post was an attack and I apologised for it. Not sure why me being a fool somehow gives people a free pass to hate all gay people. It seems like you are looking for the smallest excuse to do so.

And you're carrying on doing the same thing. You obviously didn't mean your apology, since you haven't changed your behaviour. You might have slightly toned it down in the face of opposition, but that's all.

TheLegendOfMart · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:33

Angilion said:
And you're carrying on doing the same thing. You obviously didn't mean your apology, since you haven't changed your behaviour. You might have slightly toned it down in the face of opposition, but that's all.

Carry on doing what exactly?

You were basically saying that I was promoting prejudice against all gay people with my attitude. Why would you hate all gays if you think I am a ****?

Evosparki · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:35

DrToffnar said:
I much prefer 'acceptance'. At best, 'tolerance' is an unhealthy compromise.

You're just being politically correct. Like hate is just another word for dislike, tolerance is just another word for acceptance, some people just want to over-complicate wordings.

Angilion · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:37

DrToffnar said:
I much prefer 'acceptance'. At best, 'tolerance' is an unhealthy compromise.

What do you see as the difference between tolerance and acceptance? Many definitions of "tolerance" use the word "acceptance", e.g. "willingness to accept feelings, habits or beliefs that are different from your own".

TheLegendOfMart · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:37

They aren't the same thing at all.

Tolerate - the capacity to endure continued subjection to something such as a drug or environmental conditions without adverse reaction.
Acceptance - the process or fact of being received as adequate, valid, or suitable.

The difference between accepting they are people and rejecting them but doing nothing about it. One is positive, one is negative.

Evosparki · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:45

TheLegendOfMart said:
They aren't the same thing at all.

Tolerate - the capacity to endure continued subjection to something such as a drug or environmental conditions without adverse reaction.
Acceptance - the process or fact of being received as adequate, valid, or suitable.

The difference between accepting they are people and rejecting them but doing nothing about it. One is positive, one is negative.

Ah so we have to be precisely exact in our wordings, with zero tolerance of any figure of speech or spelling typo.

RDM · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:46

Evosparki said:
Its ironic really. Religions have always basically hated gay people.
And pride is a sin, yet gay people are promoting "gay pride".
Religion is the number one killer of the world - fact.

So, as a society. we're accepting gay people as normal. Then how can we accept religion if it conflicts with their beliefs?

Just because you put "fact" after something doesn't make it true. Malaria and communism have religion beat hands down for causes of death.

TheLegendOfMart · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:46

Evosparki said:
Ah so we have to be precisely exact in our wordings, with zero tolerance of any figure of speech or spelling typo.

I didn't say that. I never took exception to what you said I understood your intent. But you can see why people might though?

Angilion · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:46

TheLegendOfMart said:
Carry on doing what exactly?

False accusations, hyper-aggression.

You were basically saying that I was promoting prejudice against all gay people with my attitude. Why would you hate all gays if you think I am a ****?

I wouldn't. But some people would. Most propaganda trying to promote prejudice against a group works that way because prejudice is an effective way of causing prejudice. If you want to promote prejudice against group A, an effective line of propaganda is to divide humanity into A and not-A and make material of A-ists being highly prejudiced against not-A. In short, promote the division and create a perceived threat. It's been done throughout recorded history (and probably before) because it works. The most infamous example is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but there are many other examples.

robgmun · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:47

DrToffnar said:
I much prefer 'acceptance'. At best, 'tolerance' is an unhealthy compromise.

Shall i start doing Jazz Hands instead of clapping in case i Trigger someone

TheLegendOfMart · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:48

How am I being aggressive?

Am I calling anyone names, am I typing all in caps?

I got a little heated at Diddums and apologised for it.

Angilion · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:50

Evosparki said:
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Religion is the number one killer of the world - fact.
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Malaria has killed more people overall than any other single cause, although if you look just at the present the leading cause of death is probably heart disease. Religion is and was a major killer, but not the number one killer.

DrToffnar · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:54

I retract my earlier statement... xD

Evosparki · 30 Jun 2017 at 16:56

RDM said:
Just because you put "fact" after something doesn't make it true. Malaria and communism have religion beat hands down for causes of death.

Malaria is one natural killer of many but from a human choice its another matter.
Communism has basically ruled human civilisations for thousands of years pretty much mostly or entirely due to religion. That is a fact.

RDM · 30 Jun 2017 at 17:00

Evosparki said:
Yeah I know its just one of the things that people

Malaria is one natural killer of many but from a human choice its another matter.
Communism has basically ruled human civilisations for thousands of years pretty much mostly or entirely due to religion. That is a fact.

I don't think you know what communism is. Communist dictators during the 20th Century killed 10s of millions of mostly their own people without needing religion at all.

Angilion · 30 Jun 2017 at 17:01

TheLegendOfMart said:
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It's the way in which he used it. Saying you tolerate something means you think you are in a superior position and allowing something you feel is inferior to happen.

No, it doesn't. It means that you accept the existence of something different without hostility towards it. For example, I tolerate spiders in my house.

This intolerance of tolerance is a new thing to me. Is this another campaign to radically change the meaning of a word to catch people out and promote irrational prejudice by pretending it exists in cases where it doesn't?

Evosparki · 30 Jun 2017 at 17:03

RDM said:
I don't think you know what communism is. Communist dictators during the 20th Century killed 10s of millions of mostly their own people without needing religion at all.

Exactly, 20th century. How about all the other centuries?