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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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N19h7m4r3 said:
Never forget, the only accurate prediction!

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Between 1070 and 1080? ABANDON SHIP
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6kdwea/vega_fe_doesnt_seem_to_be_doing_tiled/djld98t/

The reason its not doing tiled rasterization is it has not been "turned on" yet. Vega is using the fallback rendering method instead of tiled.

When it was first discovered that Maxwell used tiled based rendering there was talk about a lot of software that needed to be written or rewritten in order to utilize it correctly and Nvidia implemented that in their drivers.

Vega is using a predominantly Fiji driver and this feature has not been "turned on" actually all but one of the new features in Vega is not functional right now the exception being the pixel engine being connected to the L2 cache as that is hardwired. I tore apart the new drivers in IDA today and the code paths between Fiji and Vega are very close and only differ slightly.

This arch is a massive change from anything they have released with GCN. They built in fallbacks in the hardware because of the massive changes. Its a protection against poorly written games and helps AMD have a starting point for driver development. Hell even architecturally Vega is essentially Fiji at its most basic thats why it is performing exactly like it because none of its new features are enabled or have a driver published for them yet. It is performing like a Fury X at 1400 MHz because that is exactly how every computer is treating it.
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So basically AMD did another half arsed launch of a graphics card.
 
Lord_ZED said:
Cause NV ****** me and AIBs off with ******* encrypted bios. I dont want to pay for licket down ****. I want to mod bios and brick.my card if i want to. Noobe will tell me what i cant do with **** i paid over 600 quid for.
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to be fair you can unlock voltage (up to +100mv) I think that's limited there as it's the max 'safe' limit for Pascal.

was probably a choice due to too many RMAs in the past where people had overcolted and they couldn't prove it so had to give out replacements.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6kdwea/vega_fe_doesnt_seem_to_be_doing_tiled/djld98t/



So basically AMD did another half arsed launch of a graphics card.
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I understand the frustration.. I feel it myself as i am ready to buy a rx vega.. That said i would rather have some half arsed launch where the product is actually good and just need a bit of maturing than a flat out horrible product with no hope of being good. This reddit link gives me at least a sliver of hope but of course a bucket of salt is ready next to me :)
 
Phixsator said:
I understand the frustration.. I feel it myself as i am ready to buy a rx vega.. That said i would rather have some half arsed launch where the product is actually good and just need a bit of maturing than a flat out horrible product with no hope of being good. This reddit link gives me at least a sliver of hope but of course a bucket of salt is ready next to me :)
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I see where you're coming from, but until the product is proved to be good, it isn't good. You should never, ever rely on a product doing what you hope in the future, judge it on what you'll get when you buy it. Right now, AMD have to prove it's going to be good by making it good. Until they do, it's impossible to buy the good version of the product, only the half-assed one that's available now.

We don't know what RX is going to be like, we don't know what they drivers can fix, we don't know if the hardware is broken or fundamentally flawed, and it's not as if AMD have claimed anything different in this deafening silence from them.
 
Phixsator said:
I understand the frustration.. I feel it myself as i am ready to buy a rx vega.. That said i would rather have some half arsed launch where the product is actually good and just need a bit of maturing than a flat out horrible product with no hope of being good. This reddit link gives me at least a sliver of hope but of course a bucket of salt is ready next to me :)
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The problem is these half arsed halo launches are tarnishing the AMD graphics brand for non-enthusiasts who are the larger market - all they see is driver issues and hardware issues,and they will tend to buy Nvidia instead.
 
D.P. said:
Except there is no evidence it is not turned on. The results of the utility that can potentially indicate this on NVidia hardware aren't any indication of what is happening with the games.
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Anything is possible with AMD on the graphics side TBH,in the end AMD need to start looking at the present instead of expecting to launch half finished products and find some lucky four leaved clover which will magically fix everything for them. I seriously think they must be in some reality distortion field if they didn't expect anyone would test gaming on their Frontier Edition/Founders Edition early access card,especially when they were benching non-gaming software against a Titan Xp which seems to be the preferred competitor.

This is getting tiresome,the odd launch yes,but it seems that every new GPU launch in the last 5 years is problematic for them. This is why they have such rubbish market share - Nvidia has had problematic launches but many of them have gone smoothly with few issues - the same could be said of ATI,and that is why they actually had a higher percentage than 30% of dGPU sales.
 
PCper took their cooler off and measured the die size: https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-GPU-and-PCB-Exposed

They make it 564mm2.

That's absolutely enormous for 14nm, and means it must have in the region of 17 Billion transistors. The FuryX's 8.9 Billion would be around 290mm2 on 14nm.

There MUST be something wrong with the drivers or stepping on the FE-Vega. I just can't fathom that around 8 Billion transistors are just sitting there being dead weight (since it's currently performing like an overclocked FuryX).
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem is these half arsed halo launches are tarnishing the AMD graphics brand for non-enthusiasts who are the larger market - all they see is driver issues and hardware issues,and they will tend to buy Nvidia instead.
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Yep, I'm unashamedly pro-AMD and anti-Nvidia, but even I found myself thinking "I should have a look and see what Nvidia cards are available as AMD don't seem to have anything". Sure, I then gave myself a good slapping, and I know there's an emotional reaction to all this nonsense with the FE, but I was surprised the thought entered my head at all. It's probably because AMD have not come out and said anything reassuring, so I feel let down. AMD don't have any faith to back up their own products and defend/explain what's going on with FE, or why we should expect more from RX.
 
Let's keep in mind the fact that all sites WILL do an RX Vega review when the RX Vega launch happens. This time they will get press kits and a presentation and all that.

So if it's true that the card is running in "safe mode" and has a LOT of potential left in it, at least there'll be a wave of reviews then which "fix" the picture.
 
AllBodies said:
PCper took their cooler off and measured the die size: https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-GPU-and-PCB-Exposed

They make it 564mm2.

That's absolutely enormous for 14nm, and means it must have in the region of 17 Billion transistors. The FuryX's 8.9 Billion would be around 290mm2 on 14nm.

There MUST be something wrong with the drivers or stepping on the FE-Vega. I just can't fathom that around 8 Billion transistors are just sitting there being dead weight (since it's currently performing like an overclocked FuryX).
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Quite a lot of empty pcb space as well, probably could have made it fury x sized but needed the pcb long to support the cooler.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
I'm really looking forward to the Q2 earnings call, and Q&A; those chaps are sure to bring out the hard questions again. One that'll be on all their minds is Vega, and Vega Frontier. What's going on there.
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Well, the problem with earnings calls is that they then think they are forced to make silly statements about launching by 'quarter X' and you get this:

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So basically AMD did another half arsed launch of a graphics card.
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I mean unless the are deliberately holding back the driver branch with all the features until the RE launch, the only explanation about the F's Edition is that they felt forced to launch it this quarter in it's half-finished state due to the statements they made at a previous earnings call.

Wasn't the paper launch of 7970 in Dec 11 similarly because R.Reed promised availability that Q4?
 
AMD are digging them a self a grave every generation release for past few years. Always an issue for every release. Fixed later and performance gets better but at this point no one cares early benches are out at those performance numbers stick.
 
akarypid said:
Let's keep in mind the fact that all sites WILL do an RX Vega review when the RX Vega launch happens. This time they will get press kits and a presentation and all that.

So if it's true that the card is running in "safe mode" and has a LOT of potential left in it, at least there'll be a wave of reviews then which "fix" the picture.
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I'm sure the performance or lack of will have to be addressed long before the RX release. It can't go on like this for weeks.

Remember, we've only got an RX launch window, no official release date yet.
 
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Rather than look at gaming performance with the FE, how does it look as a workstation card as that's it's main focus?

If it looks on point with that, then we can assume the gaming Vega will be on point for gaming.

4 weeks to find out!
 
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