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This is why I think power consumption looks so bad,the drivers don't support all the features which help with power consumption.
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This is why I think power consumption looks so bad,the drivers don't support all the features which help with power consumption.
According to Kyle at hardocp amd weren't too overly enthused about it.
https://hardforum.com/threads/pc-pe...ing-4-30pm-cdt.1938697/page-2#post-1043086247
Tile based rasterisation will finish an entire section of the screen, rendering all required layers before moving onto the next tile on screen, you don't scan across every layer as with immediate mode rasterisation.
This is the part of the video that shows tile based rasterisation. https://youtu.be/Nc6R1hwXhL8?t=666 you perform all work for one tile of the screen in local memory before moving onto the next tile.
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Ryan at Pcper spoke to an AMD rep before doing the live stream game benching and AMD told him this driver has all the gaming optimisations up to this point in time, The only difference between this driver and the driver that releases with RX Vega is it will include any additional optimisation made during the next 30 days, Ryan then goes on to give his opinion which is that this Frontier edition is representitive of RX Vega and we'll probaby see around an 8-10 % improvement for RX Vega. He also stated that AMD did not have a problem with his testing the FE with games but I'm not sure when it is in the video as I watched most of it live and there's 4 odd hours of it.
Watch this from 23 m 25s to 25 m 05 s.
Brexit is irrelevant, I was talking about US prices. Yes inflation is a thing but technology is supposed to get cheaper over time, not more expensive. There is no way $329 in late 2014 was worth the same as $379 in mid 2016.
Holding back higher end cards and having slower cards fill their price bracket in the mean time isn't exactly a good thing either.
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I can imagine why AMD weren't happy he bought a car and ran some benchmarks on it.
In all seriousness, the results wouldn't make me happy if I was AMD, but they're the ones who have created this situation, regardless of how much better the RX variant may or may not be.
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I take it you didn't watch the video posted here recently
No but I'll happily watch it if you give me a link, About 6 or 7 months ago one of the gpu reviewers did a how does it fair now article on the 780ti, In that a lot of the old games from it's time such as Crysis 3 showed it to do fine but games being released at the time of the test showed the Kepler card to be struggling and it was even surpassed by the 280x in some modern games.
It's up to a point in time not this point in time. That point in time could have been a month ago. It depends on when they sent the drivers for validation
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Sorry but I'm not going to go hunting for the video in which he was interviewed about it as it was several weeks ago and I wouldn't know where to start looking. I just sat there with the other video's with the audio playing in the background for the last 20 minutes to find the part where Ryan from Pcper was told about the drivers by AMD. I'd rather go and do some gaming now.
Not a video, but from the Reddit AMA about the Frontier Edition. With current performance and drivers however, it's a far cry from "deliver smooth 4K gaming". 20-40FPS is not that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...gies_group_at_amd_and_were/dhqnsgo/?context=3
As he states though, if you want just a Gaming card get Radeon RX Vega.
PCper did show GPU utilisation (Wattman) and core clocks during the livestream a few times.
Well then, all this talk about tile-based rasterisation and other features being disabled is wishful thinking. Though there's still hope that due to the time it takes to certify a driver, what AMD did was 'get first stable version certified ASAP' where indeed all new features are disabled but at least it works, then some time later submit a newer version that has all of Vega's new gimmicks 'on' and that one will ship with RX Vega...
About the whole tile-based thing... I recall AMD called their tech by 'draw-stream binning rasteriser'. Are we sure this is the same thing as Maxwell's tile-based rasterisation? Maybe people were assuming it would be, but in fact it isn't?
Yes that's correct.
If you watch that part of the stream he says some people say its tiled, and some say it's not. Ryan even states he's not sure, and he'd have to watch the video to see which behaviour he's seeing.
Just compare the clip form the Stream to the Fiji test. They're identical.
https://clips.twitch.tv/DarlingSneakyOilOSkomodo
All the 3rd party tests on Fiji show the exact same rasterization as Vega. It's not just one chap.
So unless Fiji has Tiled Based Rasterization, it doesn't appear Vega does. I've linked you several people have that tested it, one even including a video showing it's the exact same as Vega.
Which begs more questions.
Is Tiled Based Rasterization disabled, if it has it?
If not is the FE just a die shrunk Fury-X, that would explain a lot of things.
Is the RX version then also just a die shrunk Fury-X, in which case what have AMD been doing these past 2 years, sitting on their hands whistling?
Or is the RX version actually Vega, IE not just a die shrunk Fury-X, a different GPU.
If the RX is just a die shrunk Fury-X why didn't they release it along with the RX480? and if it is why bother at all as the Fury-X has proven to be bottlenecked as it is.
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What has AMD being happy or not, about someone who bought one of their cards, playing bloody games on it, and posting up/putting videos up about it on the internet.
Eh?What has AMD being happy or not, about someone who bought one of their cards, playing bloody games on it
Thing is if he didn't do it , someone else would. Not sure about AMDs thinking on this.
They can't suppress the benchmarking of the card. They could clarify things regarding its performance though.
What has AMD being happy or not, about someone who bought one of their cards, playing bloody games on it, and posting up/putting videos up about it on the internet.
LoadsaMoney, I understand what you mean
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Looks its easy to see what happened here. AMD had some internal schedule to launch by the end of Q2 2017,and HBM2 issues or yield issues already seemed to have delayed the card quite a while. Its quite obvious the drivers are not fully there yet,but they had to release something so released the Frontier Edition or basically their version of the Founders Edition and made some spin about it being a mixed usage prosumer card which can run non-gaming software but can also game. Then they decided to compare it against a prosumer Titan Xp, in non-gaming areas since it looked reasonable,to kind of deflect from the gaming drivers not being ready for the prime time yet.
The issue since they said it could also game,meant people also compared it against the Titan Xp and its come up short,but now apparently its not really for gaming.
If AMD had just basically been honest and said the gaming driver is only for testing only and does not support all the new features,and you would need to wait a few weeks for the RX Vega launch to get them,most of this drama would not have happened.
There are so many unanswered questions; which is why this launch is so darn frustrating.
If Vega is just a Die shrunk Fiji the performance we've seen still makes no sense.
50% increased clocks, 50% more TFLOPs, 4x the VRAM, smaller node; yet 564mm2 still. That leaves what? 60% transistors doing nothing?
Was there a massive reduction in IPC?
If Fiji was just die shrunk it would be around 290mm2 and if it was clocked to 1450Mhz it would match an Overclocked GTX 1080 in Firestrike; and a reference one in games most likely.
Vega was touted as having all these new improved features, along with higher clocks and IPC, along with a reworked front end to remove the Fiji bottleneck. Yet we're seeing a "Vega" chip at 1440Mhz barely able to match an overclocked 980Ti, and usually sit closer to a 1070 than a 1080.
Something is up here, and AMD is being extremely quiet about it all.
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