Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[harney]

Exactly. The Engineering sample months ago on a debugging fiji drivers, and debugging pcb with usb monitoring was pushing overclocked gtx 1080 FPS in 4K DOOM.
Now it's between 1070 and 1080 reference on Frontier Edition.

Something's up, and we'll hopefully get some light shone on it Siggraph.

Edit: Wasnt the same ID from the doom demo spotted in Firestrike, and it was running at 1200Mhz as well.

Yes it was.

More of this

 

[Gerard]

The plot thickens it seems.

 

[akarypid]

The plot thickens it seems.

 

[zornyan]

just realised

valve = 5 letters

5 letters + rx vega is 11

siggraph is 8 letters

11-8 = 3


so in actual fact this is all a ploy and rx vega never existed, the real point of all this hype was


half life 3 is launching at siggraph

 

[D.P.]

What i don't get is, the FE ran DOOM in Vulkan, much slower than the card they showed off months ago doing it (didn't it ?), so either the RX and FE's are different, or something has gone wrong since then.

You don't know what settings they used. Remember according to AMD's testing the FuryX was 20% faster than the 980ti. If you turned all the texture filtering off and had a werid mix of in-game settings.

 

[D.P.]

The FE was averaging 1440mhz according to PcPer's testing. Add in tests showing tiled rasterization is also not working, and HBCC wasn't on in the drivers either.

So to say something's off with Frontier Edition feels like an understatement right now. I look forward to what Raja has to say at Siggraph about all of this.

There is no real evidence that TBR is not working in Vega. The results of the utility mean squat, it was designed for Maxwell. It may or may not pick up on TBR artifacts with Vega.


For sure, maybe it isn't working and Vega will get a 20% boost but there is no guarantee there. No one knows. Just stop peddling this stuff as if it is a fact.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

@LoadsaMoney

We do know what settings AMD used for the Vega DOOM demo, full Ultra + X8 TXAA at 4K.

Date January 2017 for the demo, on unfinished Ryzen as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwcUMZLvjYw&feature=youtu.be&t=25m35s

Brad Chacos – Senior Editor,PC World
The only demo you’ve let people play so far is DOOM running at 4K Ultra. I’ve played it, it runs awesome it’s a great game. It can hit up to 85 FPS, but typically it’s running 60-70 FPS at 4K Ultra everything cranked. Which beats the pants off the GTX 1080, but that’s running Vulkan. Would it still beat the pants of the GTX 1080 if it was running DX11?

Raja Koduri – Chief Architect Radeon Technologies Group, AMD
DOOM doesn’t have a DX11 path…

Brad Chacos – Senior Editor,PC World
Yeah, OpenGL, you got me. (laughs)

 

[Angilion]

To be truly competitive, RX Vega's unspecified optimisations over FE Vega would have to increase performance by at least 20%, reduce power consumption by at least 30% and reduce price by at least 40%. That's a lot to ask from an extra month's optimisation of the same generation of the same GPU after more than a year of optimising already.

I've got an opportunity to order a 1070 with a hilariously huge cooler (it covers 3 slots and makes SLI impossible) for £350 new. Passively cooled at low load, quiet fans at high load, just what I want. Granted, there aren't any in stock yet but the price is the price and I've been waiting for ages already so some more won't be too bad.

I'm not seeing a good reason to wait for RX Vega. I want to, but the evidence is piling up on the "not worth it" side. Vague promises that AMD will somehow massively improve it in 4 weeks aren't counter-balancing that. But I'd feel a right nodger if AMD somehow turn Vega into something slightly better than a 1070 and sell it for £300.

 

[triss]

@LoadsaMoney

We do know what settings AMD used for the Vega DOOM demo, full Ultra + X8 TXAA at 4K.

Date January 2017 for the demo, on unfinished Ryzen as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwcUMZLvjYw&feature=youtu.be&t=25m35s

It would be very nice if RX at 1200core beats FE at its current clocks but if this was simply due to drivers it makes you wonder why they didnt use that Driver for gaming mode on the FE release.
Sure would have made for better reviews which = better PR for AMD

 

[zornyan]

It would be very nice if RX at 1200core beats FE at its current clocks but if this was simply due to drivers it makes you wonder why they didnt use that Driver for gaming mode on the FE release.
Sure would have made for better reviews which = better PR for AMD

the original reviewer from wccftech benched doom and got the same FPS as shown in the and demo, showed him hovering around 70-80fps.

 

[Mayh3M]

Wow... So many of you are going to be disappointed.

AMD have shown themselves to be around 2 years behind Nvidia. Why some of you think they'll suddenly close this gap completely I have no idea.

And sub £500 for HBM2? Utter delusion.

 

[Erik13]

It would be very nice if RX at 1200core beats FE at its current clocks but if this was simply due to drivers it makes you wonder why they didnt use that Driver for gaming mode on the FE release.
Sure would have made for better reviews which = better PR for AMD

Maybe Amd wants to catch Nvidia off guard ? They claimed 40 percent ipc increase with Ryzen but it turned out to be much higher than that, which created panic @ Intel and forced them to make rushed decisions which eventually ended up hurting them. Can be same strategy here also who knows

 

[spoffle]

Wow... So many of you are going to be disappointed.

AMD have shown themselves to be around 2 years behind Nvidia. Why some of you think they'll suddenly close this gap completely I have no idea.

And sub £500 for HBM2? Utter delusion.

People were saying the exact same thing when we were speculating about Ryzen. What they managed with Ryzen isn't proof that they're sandbagging, but it's why people think there's a chance they can close the gap.

They closed their gap with Intel and in some areas passed them and this has inspired hopefulness that they're intending on doing the same thing with Vega.

As I said, it's obviously not proof of it, but also things aren't adding up at all with what we've seen of Vega so far. It makes no logical sense.

 

[DragonQ]

Wow... So many of you are going to be disappointed.

AMD have shown themselves to be around 2 years behind Nvidia. Why some of you think they'll suddenly close this gap completely I have no idea.

And sub £500 for HBM2? Utter delusion.

Maybe not for the full one but cut-down Vega has to be under £500 otherwise AMD has nothing between £250 and £500 at all, which is a big market gap they are handing straight to nVidia's GTX 1070. Even if they barely make a profit on cards in that range, they need to exist.

 

[DrBombcrater]

And sub £500 for HBM2? Utter delusion.

The thing a lot of people don't consider about Vega pricing is that AMD don't have to make any margin on it. Even if it is performance competitive with NVidia, high-end GPUs are still going to be a small part of AMDs business. Initially selling at cost, or even somewhat below it, isn't going to hurt them at all. I'd be surprised if it cost more than a day or two's Ryzen revenue in total.

My expectation (going out on a limb here) is that the 8GB Vega will in fact be £500, give or take a few pounds.

 

[D.P.]

It would be very nice if RX at 1200core beats FE at its current clocks but if this was simply due to drivers it makes you wonder why they didnt use that Driver for gaming mode on the FE release.
Sure would have made for better reviews which = better PR for AMD

Just wait for a volley of weird and pathetic explanations about old drivers, TBR not working, not a gaming card despite everything under the sun saying it is for gaming.

As zornyan says, the one guy testing found the same Doom performance as AMD demonstrated.



And even if why buy in to the hogwash that Vega FE is some how magically so radically different to RX Vega and it doesnt have gaming drivers depsite Raja and AMD drivers saying they have gaming drivers and it's for gaming, even then and we compare stictly for professional use, the Vega FE is slower than the 1080 GPU. In that light the gaming numbers already beat expectations.

 

[D.P.]

The thing a lot of people don't consider about Vega pricing is that AMD don't have to make any margin on it. Even if it is performance competitive with NVidia, high-end GPUs are still going to be a small part of AMDs business. Initially selling at cost, or even somewhat below it, isn't going to hurt them at all. I'd be surprised if it cost more than a day or two's Ryzen revenue in total.

My expectation (going out on a limb here) is that the 8GB Vega will in fact be £500, give or take a few pounds.

If AMD were happy to.make a loss they would never release it. That is just nonsense.

High end is where you make all the profit. The low end is where you cut margins to almost nothing and rely on volume

With HBM3 and a giant due, Vega won't be cheap.

 

[Gerard]

If AMD were happy to.make a loss they would never release it. That is just nonsense.

High end is where you make all the profit. The low end is where you cut margins to almost nothing and rely on volume

With HBM3 and a giant due, Vega won't be cheap.

Hmm hbm3 and a giant due you say...you must hold the record for most typos ever on this forum.

 

[Steampunk]

Wow... So many of you are going to be disappointed.

AMD have shown themselves to be around 2 years behind Nvidia. Why some of you think they'll suddenly close this gap completely I have no idea.

And sub £500 for HBM2? Utter delusion.

For me it all comes down to one central fact. Do we believe that nearly three years after Fury, and with a process node change to 14nm, that AMD did not make anything faster/better than Fury? That's absurd, but it's what the FE results say, which is why I think the FE cannot be representative of the RX, for whatever reason (no gaming drivers, no enabling of the new hardware features, etc). It just makes no sense for AMD to even attempt to sell a new product that barely matches their three year old cards. I don't think they'd even ship RX if it wasn't a significant improvement over their last products.

All the business with poor results from the FE is just a smokescreen that's confusing everyone as to what the RX is going to do.

 

[spoffle]

If AMD were happy to.make a loss they would never release it. That is just nonsense.

High end is where you make all the profit. The low end is where you cut margins to almost nothing and rely on volume

With HBM3 and a giant due, Vega won't be cheap.

High end isn't where the profit is. You've just discredited yourself with that one sentence.

Expensive halo products are made to sell more of the lower end ones.