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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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The tech press will always be chasing clicks, just like the UK's redtop press will always be chasing readers.

No news is not news that sells.

"EXTRA EXTRA>>> WE HAVE VEGA NOAAAAAAUUUWWWW and we have the thing you want to know about it most, its gaming performance, its not what you think it is, read more here now..."

Thats what this boils down to ^^^
 
humbug said:
The tech press will always be chasing clicks, just like the UK's redtop press will always be chasing readers.

No news is not news that sells.

"EXTRA EXTRA>>> WE HAVE VEGA NOAAAAAAUUUWWWW and we have the thing you want to know about it most, its gaming performance, its not what you think it is, read more here now..."

Thats what this boils down to ^^^
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Whatever way you twist it - it is still a (probably) easily avoidable PR disaster for AMD that is entirely of their own making.

Assumedly given how close we are to the RX Vega launch they could have had someone go down to say PCPer simultaneously with the FE launch and do a controlled demo of gaming Vega at the very least even if there was some caveats.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Also got to think, that DOOM demo was eons ago, i bet the 1080s increased in peformance with all the drivers its had since then.
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But but but..... nvidia work with game developers very closely, they even send some of the team out to their offices to lend a helping hand and get the very best performance on day 1!!!
 
Rroff said:
Assumedly given how close we are to the RX Vega launch they could have had someone go down to say PCPer simultaneously with the FE launch and do a controlled demo of gaming Vega at the very least even if there was some caveats.
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AMD can't stop people buying their products and reviewing them how they chose, nor should they try.
 
That is kind of my point - it would be naive to think people won't do that - so they should have got out ahead of it - after this time in the GPU industry there is no excuse for not seeing it coming.

If my boss managed strategic planning and PR the way AMD we'd be out of business a long time now :s
 
five8five said:
Gamersnexus didn't predict a minimum gain but they did put a cap on the maximum - 30-40%
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2973-amd-vega-frontier-edition-reviewed-too-soon-to-call/page-5
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I wouldn't call that a cap, It's an arbitrary number made high because they don't really know and by going high they're unlikely to be proven wrong.
HRL said:
Maybe RX Vega is so flipping awesome AMD can afford to sit on all the doom and gloom for another month.

Yeah, I doubt it's going to be that good either but Ryzen isn't exactly crap, is it.
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Ryzen's great which is partly because they got the lion's share of the budget's development money.
 
humbug said:
The tech press will always be chasing clicks, just like the UK's redtop press will always be chasing readers.

No news is not news that sells.

"EXTRA EXTRA>>> WE HAVE VEGA NOAAAAAAUUUWWWW and we have the thing you want to know about it most, its gaming performance, its not what you think it is, read more here now..."

Thats what this boils down to ^^^
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Did you get really angry with the guy (an "amateur") who bought his own card (£1000) and benchmarked games and pro apps?
He also took requests but was a bit overwhelmed by the level of interest from enthusiasts around the world.
 
Rroff said:
That is kind of my point - it would be naive to think people won't do that - so they should have got out ahead of it - after this time in the GPU industry there is no excuse for not seeing it coming.

If my boss managed strategic planning and PR the way AMD we'd be out of business a long time now :s
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I know what you are saying, that AMD should have gone round reviewers with one and sat with them, perhaps do a live stream with their controlled review, make a PR event out of it...

That to me is naive and potentially worse than just leaving it be, because if go round reviewers with your canned benchmarks when inevitably those reviews do their own testing without AMD watching over them end up portraying the card in a very different light the same thing happens anyway, reviewers will do what they want in any case, what could make it even worse is that by that time it looks like AMD tried to control the reviews, which they would have.

There is nothing AMD can do about what reviewers want to do, nothing.

AMD did the only thing they could do, advise its not a gaming card and that the RX card would do better in games.
 
humbug said:
I know what you are saying, that AMD should have gone round reviewers with one and sat with them, perhaps do a live stream with their controlled review, make a PR event out of it...

That to me is naive and potentially worse than just leaving it be, because if go round reviewers with your canned benchmarks when inevitably those reviews do their own testing without AMD watching over them end up portraying the card in a very different light the same thing happens anyway, reviewers will do what they want in any case, what could make it even worse is that by that time it looks like AMD tried to control the reviews, which they would have.

There is nothing AMD can do about what reviewers want to do, nothing.
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No different from the canned benchmark results that appear on slides in presentations leading upto/at GPU launches, etc. and much better managed.
 
Rroff said:
No different from the canned benchmark results that appear on slides in presentations leading upto/at GPU launches, etc. and much better managed.
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The truth still comes out in the end, lucky for their only other product launch in recent times 'Ryzen' turned out to be better than expected across the board, it actually looked like AMD were sandbagging with Ryzen.
 
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The trouble for tech reviewers wanting stories to publish is AMD haven't released any performance indicators for Vega at all.... so they create their own.
 
Not sure if posted, but the Frontier Edition PCB is on the levels of Lightning cards for quality, and power delivery. Impressive, FE also has Dual BIOS, and BIOS switch under the shroud. That's interesting, I if there are two different BIOS on there right now; no one has tested yet.


 
Angilion said:
They did after Ryzen was released and reviewed. Vega has been released and reviewed and the performance isn't there. There's a big difference between performance increase from one generation of processor to the next and performance increase from a new processor to the same processor a month later. Same processor at best, since the Vega RX cards will have to be far cheaper than the Vega FE cards.
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Surely that statement is reliant on Vega FE performing at its very best for its given Tflop. Which all evidence points to the contrary. Also by that logic the jump from GCN to NCU should net decent performance gains rather than stagnation seen in reviews?

I can't see how they could make Vega RX a magnificent card unless they've essentially broken Vega FE and can fix it for Vega RX. Which would be very strange indeed. The only other way it could be a magnificent card is if it's significantly cheaper than a Geforce 1070, which I wouldn't bet more than a pound on.

That's also strange. AMD are essentially asking people to completely ignore the Vega FE release, as if Vega RX is something completely different to Vega FE despite supposedly being the same GPU, same memory (though probably less of it).

Could AMD really have released Vega FE seriously broken in a fixable way? Or are they just hoping they can ignore the problem to keep their share price up for a few more weeks?
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I'm looking forward to the Vega release from a purely technological point of view. (Not time for me to upgrade, as much as I want to get rid of the 970). The release will be interesting either way for me because it either went horribly wrong in which case it will be interesting to see how the architect failed. (As many have said just matching the 1080 a year after release will be pretty poor showing).
Or it will be brilliant in that it competes with volta (yes i know we have no idea about its performance), in which case it would be interesting to learn about all the changes, and how drivers play a role in it.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Not sure if posted, but the Frontier Edition PCB is on the levels of Lightning cards for quality, and power delivery. Impressive, FE also has Dual BIOS, and BIOS switch under the shroud. That's interesting, I if there are two different BIOS on there right now; no one has tested yet.
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What a truly baffling launch this is. Someone mentioned that the build quality of the shroud is top notch, but didn't think that AMD went down to the PCB level, in terms of build quality. Considering that they didn't advertise this surely they wouldn't spend so much time and money on a card if they thought it would be DOA, or really struggle against Nvidia.
 
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