Trains in the UK vs other countries

Without knowing the intimate details of the contract, I'd be very surprised if they haven't built some sort of eventuality into it for just that.

The Strike Price and cost of the electricity were major points of public debate. EDF have also published an expected reduction in revenue. Companies do not like doing that - it affects their share price. Had EDF an easy way of simply making up the money by reneging on the agreed contract, they would do so.
 
France - hit and miss, Paris underground was great, loved the double decker style trains you could get on some lines. Rural was mixed though, on par with most UK trained.

USA - Very mixed, very delayed usually. Although Seattle to Vancouver was one of the best I've ever been on. Basic but clean, on time and the staff was amazing.
 
It gives a false impression to just do an exchange rate conversion when you're taking money you've earned in the UK and spending it in Thailand.

Run things through http://salaryconverter.nigelb.me for a better understanding, e.g.

Sure if i was an average thai person working in an office job. But for a foreigner working in an equivalent skilled field for a company in Thailand as they were in a western country then the pay is quite decent. So i think my comparison still stands.
 
Without knowing the intimate details of the contract, I'd be very surprised if they haven't built some sort of eventuality into it for just that.

I'd be absolutely amazed if the Chinese and French didn't have clauses or at the very least sufficient lawyers to walk away.

They know that Conservatives will cough up for their every demand because they won't ever allow a privatisation exercise go south. They will bankrupt the country before letting go of their idealogical crusade to send our tax money to foreign countries.
 
I'd be absolutely amazed if the Chinese and French didn't have clauses or at the very least sufficient lawyers to walk away.

They know that Conservatives will cough up for their every demand because they won't ever allow a privatisation exercise go south. They will bankrupt the country before letting go of their idealogical crusade to send our tax money to foreign countries.

Let nothing stand in the way of the belief that EDF is all-powerful! It hasn't "gone South". EDF have forecast a drop in rate of return from 9% to 8.5%. You're talking as if there's some disastrous loss that they must make up. They're still going to make an extremely healthy (for them) profit.

I'm getting tired of people commenting who plainly know little about this and respond to any offering of actual insight or knowledge with "I'd be extremely surprised if..." Yes, you would. Because you have deeply bedded assumptions and this runs counter to them.
 
Let nothing stand in the way of the belief that EDF is all-powerful! It hasn't "gone South". EDF have forecast a drop in rate of return from 9% to 8.5%. You're talking as if there's some disastrous loss that they must make up. They're still going to make an extremely healthy (for them) profit.

I'm getting tired of people commenting who plainly know little about this and respond to any offering of actual insight or knowledge with "I'd be extremely surprised if..." Yes, you would. Because you have deeply bedded assumptions and this runs counter to them.

Oh you are choosing to use EDFs own forecast in profitability, for what on the face of it looks like an admission of around 10% increase in cost and 15 month delay by the same company?
 
Oh you are choosing to use EDFs own forecast in profitability, for what on the face of it looks like an admission of around 10% increase in cost and 15 month delay by the same company?

EDF's forecast is what the news article was about. It's the source of the figures we've been discussing. Please, enlighten us with your better knowledge of their timescales and costings and the terms of the contract with our government. And your source, naturally. Please, be specific with your details. "Looks like" and "on the face of it" are just phrasings to imply something without needing to give a reason. Tell us all why you, Internet Poster, have better and more detailed figures to work from. Tell us whose forecast on the figures you think I should have chosen. Again, no wishy-washy phrasing. Be specific.
 
Couldn't get on the train to Manchester this morning, literally a human bean tin, no room what so ever to even squeeze in when the doors opened. People were taking pictures of it etc and everyone had to wait for the next train.

Makes me wonder what happens when some people are late for work and don't have understanding bosses.
 
Couldn't get on the train to Manchester this morning, literally a human bean tin, no room what so ever to even squeeze in when the doors opened. People were taking pictures of it etc and everyone had to wait for the next train.

Makes me wonder what happens when some people are late for work and don't have understanding bosses.

No excuses

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Clearly it's health and safety in the UK which which is the issue :p
 
Couldn't get on the train to Manchester this morning, literally a human bean tin, no room what so ever to even squeeze in when the doors opened. People were taking pictures of it etc and everyone had to wait for the next train.

Makes me wonder what happens when some people are late for work and don't have understanding bosses.

and you mention this to northern rail and they will just trott out the same line that they have got more trains and more services than ever!!!! while trying to make it seem like your making it up. honestly dont understand how these idiots are still running the franchise.
 
Anecdotal but I get the train to work every day and think the service is more than adequate. Usually on time, nice trains. But maybe spoilt by C2C.
Occasionally it goes belly up and can be a pain but same with anything.
Tad on the expense side at £2.3k a year.

I can't see the government doing it cheaper and/ or better...
 
EDF's forecast is what the news article was about. It's the source of the figures we've been discussing. Please, enlighten us with your better knowledge of their timescales and costings and the terms of the contract with our government. And your source, naturally. Please, be specific with your details. "Looks like" and "on the face of it" are just phrasings to imply something without needing to give a reason. Tell us all why you, Internet Poster, have better and more detailed figures to work from. Tell us whose forecast on the figures you think I should have chosen. Again, no wishy-washy phrasing. Be specific.

Touchy, I'm suggesting a conflict of interest when companies post details that in themselves may harm the company in question!

It's not like this has no precedent even recently and in this sector.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...uestions-survival-warns-losses-could-hit-7bn/

Not to mention the likes of Enron.

Still it could just be paranoia?
But pease feel free to enlighten us with how you independently can verify a 0.5 percent change is the likely outcome.
 
Let nothing stand in the way of the belief that EDF is all-powerful! It hasn't "gone South". EDF have forecast a drop in rate of return from 9% to 8.5%. You're talking as if there's some disastrous loss that they must make up. They're still going to make an extremely healthy (for them) profit.

I'm getting tired of people commenting who plainly know little about this and respond to any offering of actual insight or knowledge with "I'd be extremely surprised if..." Yes, you would. Because you have deeply bedded assumptions and this runs counter to them.

I wasn't referring to that piece of news in particular. It's the general attitude of the Conservatives towards privatisation.

Maybe my view on privatisation has been marred by the constants stories of success where foreign state-ownership of critical services has resulted in a better and/or cheaper service for the British taxpayer?

Even when there is indisputable evidence that privatisation is a failure (see railways), the Tories will soldier on with their ideological crusade to have all of the UK's infrastructure owned by foreign governments.
 
Not always. I work a fair bit in Switzerland, and whilst the trains are relatively swift, extremely punctual and plentiful, cheap they are not!

Zurich to Aarau, a trip of 45 minutes, will cost you around £27. I don't think that's cheap.
But you can get a halbtax card giving all train and bus tickets a discount of 50%!!! and it's only 185CHF for a full year!!!! then falls down to 165chf if you let it renew and don't cancel it

from geneva to zurich kanton a 3.5hour journey with only about 8 stops , which almost goes all the way across the country, it's £80 at full price or £40 with the halbtax card which seems incredibly cheap considering how punctual the trains are
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if you work a fair bit in switzerland then why don't you have a halbtax already? it's relatively simple to get one even as an outlander
 
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Had two massive delays in the past couple of weeks from Paddington meaning I either couldn't get to my destination or I was delayed 4 hours (thank you pub). One due to signalling, the other due to an electrical fire at Paddington.

Both problems fell under the remit of Network Rail. Who owns them again?
 
But you can get a halbtax card giving all train and bus tickets a discount of 50%!!! and it's only 185CHF for a full year!!!! then falls down to 165chf if you let it renew and don't cancel it

from geneva to zurich kanton a 3.5hour journey with only about 8 stops , which almost goes all the way across the country, it's £80 at full price or £40 with the halbtax card which seems incredibly cheap considering how punctual the trains are
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if you work a fair bit in switzerland then why don't you have a halbtax already? it's relatively simple to get one even as an outlander
Because I don't use it often enough to warrant the outlay. Plus my employer is happy to pay the normal fare.
 
Been in switzerland for 8 days been on around 7 trains altogether
Trains themselves were quite nice both inter city and inter regio however 1st class vs 1st class compared to the railjet I took last year from vienna to budapest the trains were not as nice
 
Been in switzerland for 8 days been on around 7 trains altogether
Trains themselves were quite nice both inter city and inter regio however 1st class vs 1st class compared to the railjet I took last year from vienna to budapest the trains were not as nice

first class on swiss trains is almost identical to second class just quieter and less busy with slightly different seats.

tried it one time not sure why second class is usually only busy for part of my journey and most swiss people don't seem to like to sit next to someone else anyway
 
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