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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Mauller said:
Yeah, except 30-40% can be perfectly realistic and it happens often with game readying drivers. If the drivers really are not there for Vega features, its not entirely unrealistic for there to be a significant improvement in performance overall, maybe not straight away, but compared to current Vega FE drivers there can reasonably be 30-40% more performance over the coming months, if not at launch with RX Vega.
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I could understand a 30-40% increase in an individual game or application if it say it had a major bug but wouldn't a 30-40% increase across the board mean that the FE release drivers were intentionally "gimped"?

If so, why? AMD have had lots of bad publicity regarding the FE gaming performance. Instead if they had released the "real" drivers wouldn't the publicity have been much more positive - "Wow, look at the performance of the FE! I can't wait for the RX as it's going to be cheaper and supposedly faster!"

I don't get the logic behind this release. The things going on are very strange.:(
 
At the end of the day, the only people that definitively know what's going on with drivers and RX Vega are AMD. I personally think there's a lot of room for RX Vega to improve over what the FE is showing right now, though I may be wrong and am not betting my house on it.

A lot of people should be hoping this is the case too, competition is never a bad thing.
 
five8five said:
PCper debunked the "old driver version" theory last week after talking to AMD.
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The Vega Driver itself was also said to be older than the one coming for RX Vega, the above chart shows that. The driver package might not be old and can contain the latest gaming profiles, but that doesn't mean the vega FE driver itself is not fairly old.
 
five8five said:
I could understand a 30-40% increase in an individual game or application if it say it had a major bug but wouldn't a 30-40% increase across the board mean that the FE release drivers were intentionally "gimped"?

If so, why? AMD have had lots of bad publicity regarding the FE gaming performance. Instead if they had released the "real" drivers wouldn't the publicity have been much more positive - "Wow, look at the performance of the FE! I can't wait for the RX as it's going to be cheaper and supposedly faster!"

I don't get the logic behind this release. The things going on are very strange.:(
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with a pro focus, you aim for driver stability, they likely finished much of the support for pro applications but some of the newer vega features might not have been stable enough yet to implement in vega FE. if anything, we will see once RX Vega launches, considering it has been said and shown that vega FE's driver is fairly old compared to what will be coming with RX vega.
 
Mauller said:
The Vega Driver itself was also said to be older than the one coming for RX Vega, the above chart shows that. The driver package might not be old and can contain the latest gaming profiles, but that doesn't mean the vega FE driver itself is not fairly old.
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They said along the lines that you couldn't go off the drivers number.
 
Steampunk said:
Those are the latest available drivers. If what gets added is the new advanced gaming features being enabled.... It's quote possible that the AMD rep is just toeing the party line, saying what he's allowed to say. It's quite possible that the people at AMD who know any different don't pass this info on to any department that's customer facing, because that's how things leak out to customers.
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I get that but that's just a tin foil presumption where as Ryan was given very specific info stating that the driver with the FE release has the latest driver updates, I don't think they'd blatantly lie about it, If anything they'd skirt around the issue. It's possible though,

I hope it is a lie as I'm waiting on Vega myself.
 
Mauller said:
with a pro focus, you aim for driver stability, they likely finished much of the support for pro applications but some of the newer vega features might not have been stable enough yet to implement in vega FE. if anything, we will see once RX Vega launches, considering it has been said and shown that vega FE's driver is fairly old compared to what will be coming with RX vega.
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PCper debunked the January theory. So you agree they may have gimped the gaming side of the drivers.
 
It would be nice to finally have an upgrade for my 290x I would be happy with just over 1080 performance for a similar price. I am still not 100% and might go for a 1080/1080ti or 2 if they get a price drop but I will loose my freesync. I can then use the 1ms motion blur reduction but I would prefer the freesync. If AMD get 15-20% I think that will be enough so long as the price is right.
 
five8five said:
PCper debunked the January theory. So you agree they may have gimped the gaming side of the drivers.
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i am not considering a theory that they are from january, but if the numbers are consecutive builds from the same main branch, then the main codebase for the driver is at least 4 months old.
i would say the driver in general likely lacks some of the newer vega features for stability reasons, once those are ironed out and the code considered stable, they will be merged and even the pro apps would see benefits and a performance uplift from them. etc

but we will only really know once RX Vega releases.
 
Mauller said:
i am not considering a theory that they are from january, but if the numbers are consecutive builds from the same main branch, then the main codebase for the driver is at least 4 months old.
i would say the driver in general likely lacks some of the newer vega features for stability reasons, once those are ironed out and the code considered stable, they will be merged and even the pro apps would see benefits and a performance uplift from them. etc

but we will only really know once RX Vega releases.
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That's what the driver number appears to point at though.

Look at card on the extreme right of the table you posted, old driver number but a June release date.

As you say we don't really know and just have to wait for the RX leaks which I'm sure will come shortly.
 
nashathedog said:
I get that but that's just a tin foil presumption where as Ryan was given very specific info stating that the driver with the FE release has the latest driver updates, I don't think they'd blatantly lie about it, If anything they'd skirt around the issue. It's possible though,

I hope it is a lie as I'm waiting on Vega myself.
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It's not a lie if the available driver is the latest driver available. Ask AMD what their best performing gaming card is, they will not say it's the RX, because the RX isn't released yet. Both are accurate and true statements, but they don't refer to the bigger picture or put themselves in the context of what's coming a few weeks from now. That's a deliberate thing, just like "we don't comment on unannounced products".
 
r7slayer said:
Wasn't the Furyx struggling to beat the 980 but now it competes and sometimes beats a 980ti? That's around 30% at least there made in improvements.
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Yes it was struggling, and yes, it does now compete with, and sometimes beats the 980 Ti, but like i said before, it needed to be doing that on its release day, as thats when people want to buy, its no good months later, when they've already lost all the sales, due to everyone buying the Ti.

Same happened with the 480, that was only around the 970s performance when it came out, so everyone bought the faster 1060, then about 6 months later, after the 480 had had some more drivers, that took it up to, and beating the 1060, it made no difference, as they'd already lost the sales, everyone was already on the 1060s, and the sames going to happen with the RX Vega, if on its release day, the reviews show it as the FE, then Nvidia will see yet another sales increase, which they can again thank AMD for, as they always do it, everytime AMD release a new a card, they just increase Nvidias sales.
 
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