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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%
  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%
  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%

  • Total voters
    528
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how is it not a good time? these cards would be made in lower numbers compared to the 500 series anyway and fill a different performance bracket.

Selling massive volumes on a mastered process where they need the volume to be able to make money (because mid range priced), basically getting in as much dough as possible from an "old" GPU that has paid for itself when it comes to r&d, and running the Fab at maximum capacity which is what a GPU maker would want. It's not impossible that they would have to ramp down Polaris production to able to ramp up Vega production.

https://youtu.be/yXC7pv39y8o?t=379

I also agree with him when he says "the FE is just enough to keep the hype train going without killing it" hence why AMD aren't trying to do any damage control because the speculation hype train is running wild at the moment.
 
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Navi is the first GPU designed from the ground up by Raja, unlike Polaris and Vega which he came on board after the majority of the design work was done. Hopefully it pulls a 'Ryzen'.
 
But why if drivers enable features that Vega has that are not enabled yet? Why is there a limit to how much they can enable and therefore improve performance by?

I think the counter-argument to that is... why not?

Nobody really knows is the truth. It could be 10% or it could be 40%. It's just that most people are guessing towards the low end of that spectrum. It's still a guess though.
 
I think the counter-argument to that is... why not?

Nobody really knows is the truth. It could be 10% or it could be 40%. It's just that most people are guessing towards the low end of that spectrum. It's still a guess though.

I just don't see why there's a hard limit to what the top end performance boost can be when they have features that are not enabled yet, that we don't know the performance implication of. As I said earlier, tile based rendering alone *should* give around 15-20% boost on it's own if it's as good as Nvidia's offering.
 
I really don't understand why AMD would spend at least a year working on Vega drivers to only turn on certain features with only 4 weeks to go before launch, it makes no sense at all.
 
Atm im like give me preorder for 500 quid option and I do it. If does not deliver i return get 1080ti or wait few months for volta.
 
I really don't understand why AMD would spend at least a year working on Vega drivers to only turn on certain features with only 4 weeks to go before launch, it makes no sense at all.

Not exactly. If they show their cards too early Nvidia will just slash the prices on the 10## series and undercut the crap out of AMD. That's something that Nvidia could quite comfortably do I would think.
 
I think he is 100% correct. Cant see more gain than 25% with drivers and that some EPYC gain from drivers in One month !!!

if the current driver really is from before the end of march, that is a lot of dev time from then till now to implement new Vega features if they currently are not enabled for RX Vega. Vega FE might not even get the proper driver for another month after RX Vega launch due to a focus on code stability for the pro side of it.
 
how is it not a good time? these cards would be made in lower numbers compared to the 500 series anyway and fill a different performance bracket.

And Vega is being made in lower numbers, it's the FE, but it's being sold at 1000$, because "PRO", as opposed to a cheaper RX, To release an RX at a cheaper price (so they would sell higher quantities) they would probably have to ramp down Polaris production (coz Glofo doesn't only produce for AMD to my knowledge). The RX Vega "cheaper" price point could also interfere with 500 series sales, which are overpriced but still selling like hotcakes
I believe this could explain why the FE exists, (that and the H1 2017 deadline)

Wouldn't even be surprised if the RX Vega Siggraph Launch is a paper launch if they haven't ramped down Polaris production.

Selling massive volumes on a mastered process where they need the volume to be able to make money (because mid range priced), basically getting in as much dough as possible from an "old" GPU that has paid for itself when it comes to r&d, and running the Fab at maximum capacity which is what a GPU maker would want. It's not impossible that they would have to ramp down Polaris production to able to ramp up Vega production.

https://youtu.be/yXC7pv39y8o?t=379

I also agree with him when he says "the FE is just enough to keep the hype train going without killing it" hence why AMD aren't trying to do any damage control because the speculation hype train is running wild at the moment.
 
But the FE DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN VEGA DRIVERS. It has a Fiji set of drivers to run, with more than half the subsystems turned off and not been used.
I'm sorry but you have no idea if that's true or not.

It was reported that AMD said the FE driver was the latest one with the current gaming optimisations included. The RX driver might differ only in having an extra 30 days worth of work put into it. Maybe that's it, maybe not. None of us know.

The "features disabled" thing is just speculation, not fact.
 
I suspected that. But is that really it? If AMD with FS2 sort out these small details is there nothing else to separate them?

Price?
You'd need to ask someone who's tried both a G-sync monitor and an LFC supporting Freesync monitor with similarly performing gpu's. From what I've read there's nothing in it, The problem is a lot of Freesync monitors don't readily provide the range details in the marketing info, In comparison we know that all Gsync monitor's support the full range of the monitor be it 50, 100, 144 , 200 or whatever and they also use Nvidia's version of LFC for under 30hz. It makes it less of a minefield compared to Freesync shopping and that's what AMD mean to change with the Freesync 2 branding.
I've noticed that some G-sync equivalents have higher framerates that the Freesync equivalent, For example there's an Acer 2560x1080 VA Ultrawide panel, The Freesync version manages 144hz while the G-sync model reaches 200hz.

I think Jedifragger's just had bad luck with his Freesync monitor choices,
I also had the MG279Q briefly but I sent it back.
The MG279Q's Freesync range is 35-90hz which is odd as it's a 144hz panel,
They also have it marketed as a Republic of gamers model which it isn't,
The straw that broke the camel's back was the amount of light bleed but that will obviously change on a monitor to monitor basis.
All said it wasn't a nice Freesync monitor.
When I finally replace my current freesync monitor it'll be for a Freesync 2 model but I get the feeling we're going to see an additional cost for the certification.

If you're ever Freesync shopping use the following link for info on the different models, scroll to the bottom and pick the monitor's window, It's updated regularly and provides all the info you need.
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/freesync
 
Did nobody actually notice the image i posted yesterday, it pretty much shows that the current Vega driver branch is months old, older than drivers seen at the end of march. The driver may have the latest game profiles from the main driver branch in it, but that doesn't mean the vega driver itself is current.
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PCper debunked the "old driver version" theory last week after talking to AMD.
 
Did nobody actually notice the image i posted yesterday, it pretty much shows that the current Vega driver branch is months old, older than drivers seen at the end of march. The driver may have the latest game profiles from the main driver branch in it, but that doesn't mean the vega driver itself is current.

If that is true why did AMD tell Ryan at Pcper that he had the latest upto date drivers and the only difference between them and what releases with the RX Vega is what get's added over the next 4 weeks?
 
I really don't understand why AMD would spend at least a year working on Vega drivers to only turn on certain features with only 4 weeks to go before launch, it makes no sense at all.

Someone at AMD has decided there will be no gaming benchmarks until the RX gaming card is released. FE is a prosumer card, so they don't care about gaming for the initial release. Notice how well FE does in professional apps benchmarks, and how badly it does in gaming? I really think there's loads of stuff that's not yet enabled on the FE because they are waiting on the RX release.

It makes no sense to release a card on a new process and loads more transistors if it can't even match their own card from a couple of years back. So either FE is awful and it's representative of RX, or FE is not representative of RX because AMD are not showing their hand until the release of the RX.
 
What PCper and AMD said can be interpreted both ways, they said the FE was running on the latest drivers available, which is true, those are the only downloadable ones on the website, and Ryan downloaded them from the AMD website, as opposed to AMD sending them a different driver set, as they sometimes do for reviews.

Now that doesn't mean that they don't have more up to date drivers at AMD, just that the drivers available are the latest drivers published.

Also does anyone know how long it takes to get a WHQL certification by any chance ?
 
If that is true why did AMD tell Ryan at Pcper that he had the latest upto date drivers and the only difference between them and what releases with the RX Vega is what get's added over the next 4 weeks?

Those are the latest available drivers. If what gets added is the new advanced gaming features being enabled.... It's quite possible that the AMD rep is just toeing the party line, saying what he's allowed to say. It's quite possible that the people at AMD who know any different don't pass this info on to any department that's customer facing, because that's how things leak out to customers.
 
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