My guess would be it's something to do with how babies develop in the womb, but I could be way off track with that.
Number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in five years
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Makes sense, Males are also generally more vulnerable to genetic problems because we only have one X chromosome (And therefore only one version of the genes therein contained)
Males have more extremes (EH Smarter at the Smart end, Dumber at the Dumb end (the SD for IQ score is slightly larger for males, only a point or so, but enough to make a big difference to numbers once you are 3SD away from the mean))
Currently a hot topic for UFC, watching a Trans MtF fighter, just ******* destroy all the other women, would be a little stupid.
Why? Feminism requires believing that a person's sex is the most important thing about them, that it defines them and is their identity. It's impossible to advocate for one sex without that belief - you have to treat female people as one group identity and male people as one group identity in order to be able to advocate for one sex as one group. So people feeling so defined by their sex as to perceive themselves as having the wrong body and be willing to undertake major surgical intervention to change it fits perfectly with feminism. The only aspect of it that might be difficult for a feminist to reconcile is the question of whether or not someone who was born male can become female.
I find it hard to reconcile with my egalitarian sympathies. I think a person's sex is irrelevant in almost all circumstances and is a trivial part of their identity. So I think people who make a big deal out of it are wrong. On the other hand, transexuals aren't generally promoting sexism and sexism isn't an inherent part of transexualism. So I also think they're not wrong.
It's real to them, so I'm fine with it as long as they keep it personal rather than political(*) and don't use it for promoting sexism.
Gender is a different kettle of fish. I disagree with the whole idea of gender and welcome people weakening it by not conforming to it. I was recently told by a drag queen (talking about wearing feminine clothing) that I "never take mine off", i.e. I always have a rather feminine gender. They're probably right about that.
Why?
Transexual people are a new thing, though. But probably only because it's only recently become possible.
* A good rule of thumb is that if a person is advocating something for themself it's personal and if they're advocating it for other people it's political.
No hard evidence as far as I know. It might be genetic, connected in some way to not have 2 copies of the genes on X. It might be epigenetic, connected in some way to maternal hormone levels during gestation (which will, of course, be a feminine mix). It might be social, since female people in many places nowadays have far greater gender freedom than male people do. Or maybe it's some mixture of those things. Nature and nurture aren't always mutually exclusive.
Damn, it's hard to type quickly and accurately when even slightly drunk.
Yup, I always like the side effect listed on olanzapene "may cause sudden unexplained death".
Surely if its cause sit its not unexplained
Heh, I haven't seen that one. It does seem a bit odd - "this is the explanation that isn't an explanation"
I suppose what they mean is that they don't know the details of how it kills some people.
I was on venlafaxine. I read the potential side effects much later, when I started caring. I was fortunate - I didn't have any of them.
Ahh you assumed. Tut tut.
Kids shouldn't be taught complex gender issues at such a young age, to cause confusion, to such a degree that they need counselling/support.
Now you're trying to trap me. Like before. You just think i don't notice.
I'm not trying to trap you at all. I asked if you you were convinced now that this clinic was needed, you specifically said not for kids. No assumption there.
Putting aside the question of whether kids have gender issues because they are taught it or not, do you think kids that do have them should be able to get help at a clinic specifically set up to help in those situations. It's not a trap, is a simple question, especially when the OP is about a specific clinic.
No I don't want bearded biological men in women's toilets, prisons or changing rooms! That's the point!
Surgery is already being performed on children....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38218115
Edit : as has been correctly pointed out further down the thread the above link actually relates to a biologically intersex child and not a trans one. As such I was wrong and made a mistake in not checking it further before posting. I am fully aware of the difference between one intersex and trans and ironically would often accuse the trans lobby of confusing the issue msking reference to the existence of intersex people to argue for trans issues when they are not the same... For the record I support carefully considered surgical intervention for intersex children in limited cases but with the default being, where possible, to defer any action until adulthood
My post said 'advocate' for.....
Surgery isn't legal in the UK till your 18 but there are calls to lower this and children are already prescribed hormones and blockers...
https://www.theguardian.com/society...s-doctor-prescribing-sex-hormones-children-uk
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It's always a shame when people don't actually read the links they provide
Surgery is being performed on an intersex child - it's a defining of gender, not a change.
By a private clinic. Not the NHS. And the calls are to lower the age that cross sex hormones are given.
Surgery is being performed on an intersex child - it's a defining of gender, not a change.
By a private clinic. Not the NHS. And the calls are to lower the age that cross sex hormones are given.
You're missing my point entirely. I'm talking about what you'd describe as a biological woman who has transitioned to a man and is receiving hormone therapy. Testosterone makes it possible for trans men to grow beard and to gain a lot of muscle mass.
Do you really want a muscular bearded trans man sharing the bathroom with your daughter? You're going to get a hell of lot more questions from your daughter in that instance than if trans women are using the women's bathroom.
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and here's me thinking nhs staff were rushed off their feet with no money
Don't bull excrement.
And here's you thinking that this isn't an issue that merits their time and money.
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A FtM trans person still isn't in the same league strength or build wise as a biological man, that's what he's getting at I believe. Maybe if they spent their whole puberty under hormone therapy they would be equal. There are vast differences in strength, bone density muscle composition etc... in biological males and females that cannot be overcome by hormone therapy after puberty. That obviously unhinged UFC fighter destroying women for example.
Many people (Possibly even most) are perplexed that an NHS that wont give people cataract treatment until they have practically gone blind (And will then only do one eye) nevertheless feels it appropriate giving cosmetic surgery to deranged people. :/
this is going to increasingly become a problem as new and expensive treatments for various issues are created, even if you substantially increase NHS funding there will still be these issues and frankly even more so in future as the population lives even longer, having insurance or some cash saved up to give you the ability to pay for private treatment could well become more important in future
Deranged? Nice. Any other mental health issues you'd like to dismiss as deranged while you're on a roll?
It isn't.
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at that age, you'd be correct
