I'm really curious to see what the price difference is between the water and air cooled full fat die. The difference in the frontier edition is £700! They either massively inflated the price as it was a prosumer card or the watercooled Vega is going miss the reasonable pricing mark by miles.
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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **
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In your case? Both!Vega XTX
Vega XT
Which one will you go for ?
And stick them in crossfire...
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Never mind water cooling - at this rate RX Vega is going to be dead in the water.
As long as the price/performance ratio is good, it'll sell well. That was apparent in the earlier days of the 470/480, before the mining craze bought everything. Yes enthusiasts will make the argument that it's too little too late with Volta on the horizon, but we are the minority.
Never mind Volta though - even a Pascal refresh if nVidia did it come November would shift Vega's performance tier combined with the rumoured stock shortage of Vega.
The product itself looks like it will be disappointing from a performance and efficiency point of view. But AMD can still make it very successful if they price it very competitively.
Let's assume the following:
XTX= Roughly between 1080 and 1080Ti performance.
XT= Roughly 1080 performance.
XL= Roughly 1070 performance.
Sure very late to brining such performance to the table with much lower efficiency. But now if they price it like this:
XTX= $499
XT = $399
XL = $299
You are telling me they won't sell well? I would grab a XTX at that price. But if they go $599 for XTX then they can keep it and I will wait for Volta and grab better performance with much much better efficiency for likely around $399.
I am using dollars as that is the manufacturers currency and it gets straight to the point without messing about with currency fluctuations.
Problem is the profitability for AMD - sure someone can say the money for that will come from elsewhere in the business - but declining profitably will just see less and less investment from other parts of the business. It won't be long until 1080 ballpark performance seems distinctly last generation mid-range as well.
nVidia only needs to release a (proper) refresh at this point to squeeze them into having to price Vega down another tier as well and they really can't afford that. Unless RX Vega has waay better performance than is being thought at this point its going to be one of the shortest life cycle products in GPU history.
I wouldn't imagine miners will be interested in Vega, considering its power draw.
They are a bit doomed due to the poor performance of Vega really as the ball is in Nvidia's court. If they price it well as I suggested, nvidia may lower price which whey easily can and then AMD are left making very little profit. The positive side of doing this however is people on freesync will still be happy AMD came through for them and lowered prices and improved price for performance. So loyal fans will be happy at least and AMD live to fight another day and gain some much needed market share.
If they go for high prices, they will upset their core customer base who have gone AMD due to their good price for performance over the years. They will make profit, but will end up with a lot less market share then they could have.
I suppose if they have issues producing enough Vega cards, makes sense for them to price it high, but they can kiss goodbye getting any money from me.
Mining profits have gone downhill big time, but noobs who are just getting into it may still be happy to buy at inflated prices I suppose
Seen various rumours about shortages including claims that there will be under 5 units per model at launch for the UK - we won't be getting any stock of them at work for at least 3 months (not that we really sell enthusiast tier stuff but usually some SKUs setup on the system) amusingly I can't even tell the price as the placeholders are still set at 999999.99 (I'm not even sure if these are for Polaris or Vega based products anyway).
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Yes me too was thinking .... pascal is like the pinnacle of GPU tech..all they need to do is a die-shrink and add 50-100% cores and nvidia will be set for 2 more generations. the way ti is performing ... its just stupendous, dont understand why i am this infatuated with vega
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you serious ???
Yes me too was thinking .... pascal is like the pinnacle of GPU tech..all they need to do is a die-shrink and add 50-100% cores and nvidia will be set for 2 more generations. the way ti is performing ... its just stupendous, dont understand why i am this infatuated with vega
IIRC with 12FF they'd either have the choice of 10% clock speed bump or room for about ~33% increase in cores - would need to go down to 10nm for anything like 50+%. (AFAIK a 10nm shrink of Pascal would be well into Q1 2018 if it ever happened which seems unlikely as they'd more like push ahead with Volta).
On what bit?
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The only one thing that we all need to be curious about is the actual real world release date.. rest can follow
but seriously whats going on??? someone should have published a preview by now
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the launch volumes.. is it going to be that bad a paper launch?
Unfortunately they will expensive even if they are rubbish. Miners will buy them.
I dunno for sure - all I know for definite is we don't have access to supply any time soon at work but that might be because OcUK has bought up all the stock or something hah.
The rumoured global stock level though would mean that in the UK each AIB would have single digit number of units for each model available at launch though.
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