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OcUK value 1080 - any reviews or more details?

Angilion

Angilion

Angilion

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I want a new toy and waiting for Vega was enough. My intended spend has gone from ~£200 upwards and upwards. You know how it is once you get going :) My enjoyment of making hugely complex settlements in a heavily modded installation of Fallout 4 is severely reduced by the abysmal framerates that causes with my 7950. Not enough GPU power, not enough VRAM. Vega isn't going to cut it and a 1070 is either unobtainable or the price is silly.

So I'm considering this card:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk...dr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-21c-ok.html

£450 for a 1080 is as good as it gets at the moment, but it's still a hell of a lot for a graphics card. I don't want to spend £450 and get a card that's noisy or in some other way inferior. So I want more information up front. The "reference blower" mentioned, for example. Is it exactly the same as one used on another card? Same cooling performance, same noise?

Or is there a better offer with one of the forum voucher codes OcUK use to try to funnel some cards to gamers?
 
OK,I run massively modded FO4(200+ mods) with very large and complex settlements too and have a GTX1080FE running a qHD display. I find that even at qHD the game is CPU limited in settlements and my framerates can drop below 30FPS sometimes,,and the GTX1080 can be at very low utilisation.

I have an IB Core i7 BTW and it seems ideally you want a SKL/KL Core i7 which is overclocked and running decent speed RAM too and its one of the few games which seemed to have a decent improvement with SKL/KL over Haswell for example. The games really responds well to higher speed RAM too.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
OK,I run massively modded FO4(200+ mods) with very large and complex settlements too and have a GTX1080FE running a qHD display. I find that even at qHD the game is CPU limited in settlements and my framerates can drop below 30FPS sometimes,,and the GTX1080 can be at very low utilisation.

I have an IB Core i7 BTW and it seems ideally you want a SKL/KL Core i7 which is overclocked and running decent speed RAM too and its one of the few games which seemed to have a decent improvement with SKL/KL over Haswell for example. The games really responds well to higher speed RAM too.
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I have a core i7-4790K and 16GB of DDR3-2400. I'm not overclocking the i7, but I certainly could as I have a True Spirit 140 Power cooler on it. At 4.4GHz 100% load on all cores it shows 51-55C on the cores and 65C on the package and that's with a very low fan speed curve. It goes from silent to very quiet.

Right now, it's the graphics card that's the bottleneck.
 
Angilion said:
I have a core i7-4790K and 16GB of DDR3-2400. I'm not overclocking the i7, but I certainly could as I have a True Spirit 140 Power cooler on it. At 4.4GHz 100% load on all cores it shows 51-55C on the cores and 65C on the package and that's with a very low fan speed curve. It goes from silent to very quiet.

Right now, it's the graphics card that's the bottleneck.
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I get what you are saying but the game is massively CPU limited in those scenarios:

https://images.hardocp.com/images/articles/14958035970qy2jlakgl_5_2.png

That is a custom settlement without mods. If you look at other reviews,FO4 was one of the few games which showed a big improvement over Haswell with SKL/KL,and it really likes faster RAM too. The game as you mod it more and more(I have 200+) and when you build larger and larger settlements seems to hog one to two cores a lot,with lower utilisation on the other six. I also have more spawn points active in the world(War of the Commonwealth mod).

The thing is what I am trying to say you probably will be CPU limited with a GTX1080 if you are running very complex large settlements with lots of mods even with SKL/KL,and mods like War of the Commonwealth for example. This is why it might be worth considering a GTX1070 too if you can get one on offer.

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Elsewhere I can maintain 60FPS with no problem,but again I don't think the card is being pushed to 100% either. I can have a look tomorrow and check what my GPU utilisation is like.

I assume you are running the game at qHD??

Second Edit!!

Also run the game off an SSD. With mods it is noticeably smoother using one.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I get what you are saying but the game is massively CPU limited in those scenarios [..]
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Erm, well, I have just found a big part of the problem. I've only just switched to my new build, so I've actually been playing FO4 on my older PC and have only just tested it on my new one. I'd been making assumptions based on graphics card monitoring and those assumptions were completely wrong. I'd been assuming that the CPU and memory weren't the main bottleneck and my graphics card was. I was very wrong indeed and you are entirely right. Same graphics card, very different CPU and memory and the difference is night and day. It's perfectly playable now on 1920x1080 with low graphics settings, even in my most complex settlement (which was close to being a slideshow on my old PC, under 10fps).

Damn, what a difference! The only issue I have now is irregular CTD when moving from an interior cell to an exterior cell and that's very common regardless of hardware.

So maybe now I'll wait for Volta :)

(my old PC had a core 2 [email protected] and 8GB of DDR2-800)
 
Angilion said:
Erm, well, I have just found a big part of the problem. I've only just switched to my new build, so I've actually been playing FO4 on my older PC and have only just tested it on my new one. I'd been making assumptions based on graphics card monitoring and those assumptions were completely wrong. I'd been assuming that the CPU and memory weren't the main bottleneck and my graphics card was. I was very wrong indeed and you are entirely right. Same graphics card, very different CPU and memory and the difference is night and day. It's perfectly playable now on 1920x1080 with low graphics settings, even in my most complex settlement (which was close to being a slideshow on my old PC, under 10fps).

Damn, what a difference! The only issue I have now is irregular CTD when moving from an interior cell to an exterior cell and that's very common regardless of hardware.

So maybe now I'll wait for Volta :)

(my old PC had a core 2 [email protected] and 8GB of DDR2-800)
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You should be better off than what I have regarding some of the dips- don't get me wrong I had a GTX960 and a RX470,and the GTX1080 is faster at qHD,but I suspect a GTX1070 will probably be no worse than the GTX1080 for example with the game.

If you are not using an SSD for the game,I would advise you to do so. My blasted Sandisk SSD went kaput,and for a short period I used a 7200RPM drive,and the game was a laggy mess at times,with textures not fully loading and stutters. Moved back to an SSD and it was all much better again - it seems FO4 tends to prefer constantly streaming data off the install drive.

BTW,War of the Commonwealth is a fun mod though,but it really starts to push the CPU. OTH,it makes the wasteland a mental place!
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
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If you are not using an SSD for the game,I would advise you to do so. My blasted Sandisk SSD went kaput,and for a short period I used a 7200RPM drive,and the game was a laggy mess at times,with textures not fully loading and stutters. Moved back to an SSD and it was all much better again - it seems FO4 tends to prefer constantly streaming data off the install drive. [..]
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I have a couple of questions about that. My new build has a 250GB SSD in it but I'm not yet using it. I'm planning on buying Paragon Migrate OS to get the OS to the SSD (£13 seems worthwhile to get the job done properly and easily) and SteamTool Library Manager to move FO4 to the SSD (along with any other Steam games I might play a lot, as and when required). First question is whether there's a better way to do those things. Second question is how to move the mods to the SSD, assuming that's a good idea. My mods take up ~10GB, so space is fine.
 
Vega is just around the corner maybe 3-4 weeks away, hopefully it competes and pushes prices down, really bad time now with buying with all this unknowing
 
Yeah i'm with the above, you are literally days away from the Vega reveal. For the sake of just over a week you may as well at least wait and see what it has to offer, if not performance then at least some change in the market.
 
I recently got the Founder Edition version , which im really happy about coming from a RX480 , the noise level is so much better contained and the performance over the RX480 is sublime.

Yes it does hit the 83C limit , but i have my fan profile set on quiet and with the Define R5 case damping , the noise is properly contained.
 
Tute said:
Yeah i'm with the above, you are literally days away from the Vega reveal. For the sake of just over a week you may as well at least wait and see what it has to offer, if not performance then at least some change in the market.
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Yes even if vega is bad, nvidia should do a promo price drop to help ruin the amd party
 
Angilion said:
I have a couple of questions about that. My new build has a 250GB SSD in it but I'm not yet using it. I'm planning on buying Paragon Migrate OS to get the OS to the SSD (£13 seems worthwhile to get the job done properly and easily) and SteamTool Library Manager to move FO4 to the SSD (along with any other Steam games I might play a lot, as and when required). First question is whether there's a better way to do those things. Second question is how to move the mods to the SSD, assuming that's a good idea. My mods take up ~10GB, so space is fine.
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My FO4 game folder is now 105GB - the normal install size is over is a tad over 30GB for FO4(IIRC)and I do have the NMM folder on a hard drive though.
 
LeMson said:
Vega is just around the corner maybe 3-4 weeks away, hopefully it competes and pushes prices down, really bad time now with buying with all this unknowing
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Vega came out a few weeks ago. It's meh. There's no evidence that it will have any effect. People are just assuming that with another few weeks of driver development AMD can add 20% to the performance and cut 50% off the power consumption (and thus heat generation).

Although there is the possibility that AMD will sell Vega at little or no profit just so they can get back in the market a little and not disappear completely from the dGPU home market. Maybe. If they sell it at the same price as a comparable nvidia card (which will draw less power, generate less heat and overclock far more), only really serious AMD fans would buy one and only if they hadn't already got a comparable nvidia card.

I am going to hold off though, now that I don't really need a new graphics card for FO4 (which was the only reason I really wanted one). Maybe AMD will get Vega up to 1080 performance with drivers and sell it for £400. Maybe. Or maybe it'll be as much of a flop as it looks and nvidia won't do anything because they won't have to.
 
Angilion said:
Vega came out a few weeks ago. It's meh. There's no evidence that it will have any effect. People are just assuming that with another few weeks of driver development AMD can add 20% to the performance and cut 50% off the power consumption (and thus heat generation).

Although there is the possibility that AMD will sell Vega at little or no profit just so they can get back in the market a little and not disappear completely from the dGPU home market. Maybe. If they sell it at the same price as a comparable nvidia card (which will draw less power, generate less heat and overclock far more), only really serious AMD fans would buy one and only if they hadn't already got a comparable nvidia card.

I am going to hold off though, now that I don't really need a new graphics card for FO4 (which was the only reason I really wanted one). Maybe AMD will get Vega up to 1080 performance with drivers and sell it for £400. Maybe. Or maybe it'll be as much of a flop as it looks and nvidia won't do anything because they won't have to.
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Vega FE not RX Vega and I would be really weary of getting too much into forums and their declarations of what is good and bad before a launch.

We don't even know pricing and even if it was GTX1080 level performance, if that adjusts GTX1080 pricing a bit,its still money saved.

I never understood all this rushing into upgrading stuff as I prefer to see what is on the table before a launch and I have tended to bide my time and wait until I get a good deal.

Angilion said:
Why is yours so big? (insert smutty comment here)
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I basically overhauled the whole look of the game - improved textures for the environments,high res textures for clothing,etc. Its quite easy for the install size to increase once you start modding the game.
 
Angilion said:
Vega came out a few weeks ago. It's meh. There's no evidence that it will have any effect. People are just assuming that with another few weeks of driver development AMD can add 20% to the performance and cut 50% off the power consumption (and thus heat generation).

Although there is the possibility that AMD will sell Vega at little or no profit just so they can get back in the market a little and not disappear completely from the dGPU home market. Maybe. If they sell it at the same price as a comparable nvidia card (which will draw less power, generate less heat and overclock far more), only really serious AMD fans would buy one and only if they hadn't already got a comparable nvidia card.

I am going to hold off though, now that I don't really need a new graphics card for FO4 (which was the only reason I really wanted one). Maybe AMD will get Vega up to 1080 performance with drivers and sell it for £400. Maybe. Or maybe it'll be as much of a flop as it looks and nvidia won't do anything because they won't have to.
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I said hopefully, gimmi an msi 1080ti the red and black one at £599 and it'd be an insta buy, was looking at one at 650 last week,feel a fool for not buying now, as I said price dropa to ruin the vega party plx nvidia :-P
 
Wait a month for Vega, even if it's a crap as it's being made out to be we 'should' start seeing the price of the 1080 come down a little even if it's just retailers having temporary sales
 
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