It doesent really matter to AMD if big Vega makes sales in gaming. It is so bafling how people dont understand that. What would be disaster for Amd would be if it isnt competitive in compute and dont sell. Vega Fe already compites with P6000 in compute and that is where the money is. HMB is great architecture unlike so many here seem to think. It doesent bring that much on gaming side but it brings a lot on compute side and once again that is where the money is. Vega not being competitive in gaming isnt disaster for AMD its disaster for consumers. People really seem to think AMD is begging on their hands to make little money per gpu on gaming side when they make thousands per gpu selling that same cards to compute. It seems they made Vega same way Zen is made, for compute/pro market and sell it on consumer side hoping it would be competitive.
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It doesent really matter to AMD if big Vega makes sales in gaming. It is so bafling how people dont understand that. What would be disaster for Amd would be if it isnt competitive in compute and dont sell. Vega Fe already compites with P6000 in compute and that is where the money is. HMB is great architecture unlike so many here seem to think. It doesent bring that much on gaming side but it brings a lot on compute side and once again that is where the money is. Vega not being competitive in gaming isnt disaster for AMD its disaster for consumers. People really seem to think AMD is begging on their hands to make little money per gpu on gaming side when they make thousands per gpu selling that same cards to compute. It seems they made Vega same way Zen is made, for compute/pro market and sell it on consumer side hoping it would be competitive.
bedroom or man-cave junkies won't get it but when you are travelling on national or on international work a gaming laptop such as the Alienware is an essential piece of kit.
The 980m parts were awful but the 1080 in my newer laptop is a desktop part, Nvidia don't make mobile GPU's anymore although integration boards will differ.
The Alienware chassis is actually miles more maintainable than my Macbook Pro's (which all have soldered-to-the-board parts) but I always keep a valid warranty on all my mobile devices - as well as insurance.
AMD and Alienware already offer a RX470 solution for their laptops and to be fair, the 1070 is probably the best combination of perf and thermals, even in the 17 inch version and so I am keen to see a Vega 8GB HBM + Zen 6 core option on the table when it comes time to trade in on one of my R17 leases in April.
The 980m parts were awful but the 1080 in my newer laptop is a desktop part, Nvidia don't make mobile GPU's anymore although integration boards will differ.
The Alienware chassis is actually miles more maintainable than my Macbook Pro's (which all have soldered-to-the-board parts) but I always keep a valid warranty on all my mobile devices - as well as insurance.
AMD and Alienware already offer a RX470 solution for their laptops and to be fair, the 1070 is probably the best combination of perf and thermals, even in the 17 inch version and so I am keen to see a Vega 8GB HBM + Zen 6 core option on the table when it comes time to trade in on one of my R17 leases in April.
Doing well in a few compute benchmarks isn't the whole story though - CUDA and the nVidia ecosystem have massive penetration these days and often in these situations thermals and power are a bigger deal I can't really see how well or not AMD will do with the FE card in this situation but I struggle to see it doing well enough to offset potential poor performance in other markets.
You are on the money. But the same GPU is used on all sides Instinct, FE and RX. That is exactly why AMD has had to put everything in compute, I really dont think there has been that many software guys working on RX drivers because all of them have been building compute side of things trying to close that gap on Cuda.
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No match for my laptop. 360m ftw.
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No thats normal, people will always recognise AMD as gaming or consumer CPU. Ive got no idea about revenue figures without looking it up somewhere but theres millions of potential Vega customers at various levels (and AMD are making laptop vega and all sorts right).
Its a reasonable presumption that would be the biggest deal on the table for AMD but on the business side I've heard deep learning could be a giant change to the world, like a new IBM just popping up out of nowhere because that firm had the killer product.
I dont know or recognise thats exactly true now but in 1990 when windows 3.0 was released people didnt jump on it as a big deal (as I remember). But in retrospect that transformation in accessibility was quite easily the rocket fuel for a giant company, plus bill gates was ruthless.
In 1990, $1000 in Cisco became $1 million in ten years. We know the reason, the internet happened and that wasnt like a secret and the internet or modem telecoms, lan/wan wasnt new but plenty (in tech) didnt comprehend the change to the world it could make.
If you got investors drooling over AMD in that kind of way then sure I can understand 'AMD doesnt care if vega sucks for you' that could make sense for them and they'll get plenty of funding to innovate in other directions
[$18,000 is the figure for 1m in microsoft ten years later]
The air cooling on Frontier is probably fine if its being sat in a room with aircon. If we are talking about those big rack systems, they just ram a ton of cooled air through it and the seemingly badly cooled setup to us doesnt matter anymore.
These other professional Nvidia cards are sometimes 'passive' even I think
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If it is a GTX 1080 competitor then 1080 price or less.
With the watercooled version around the top end of the 1080 AIB price.
lol they wont even sell 1 unit at those prices, this LACK of performance will mean AMD will take a big hit. Their profit margins will be very little given the die size, HBM memory and average performance and MASSIVE power draw and poor overclock ability. Nearly all the nvida cards can push near 2000mhz from a base clock of appx 1600, that's a 400mhz overclock you are lucky to get 100 on vega. Vega is looking like a flop currently.
380-400 max and maybe 450-470-500 range for the water cooler version if it performs better than the air cooler.
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atm I'm thinking just keep my 290..?
it is a shock ..
.. whens navi out ?
it is a shock ..
.. whens navi out ?
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Yup, i said it pages back, they don't care how many they sell to gamers, as they aint for gamers now, they are for people who mainly do VR, pro, compute etc... stuff, that like to do a bit of gaming too, people who wont care about running their games fully maxed out, ultra settings, and at umpteen fps.
If all you do is game, and nothing else, then AMD isn't for you, Nvidia are the ones for you, as they are the only ones who do cards for just gaming, and thats their GeForce range.
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Not that simple. Nvidia will be looking at sales figures, production costs, stock levels, and estimates of when the Volta successor would likely be releasable. E.g. If Pascal sales figures had declined massively and there was minimal stock level, then it would make sense to release Volta. If 12FF process was still not quite ready and Pascal figures were healthy then they might as well wait. If the Volta successor is looking to be on schedule with 7nm protypes coming back OK then it makes sense to release Volta earlier, but if 7nmlooking to get delayed then they can avoid a long gap between releases by delaying Volta slightly.
I don't think AMD will have any real impact on Niidia at all. It seems like Nvidia is already at least 1 generation ahead of AMD with Vega. The bottom line that Nvidia cares about is profit, if Nvidia can make more profit releasing Volta earlier then they will.
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This is not true. There is some truth to it as i think it is more geared towards compute compared to gaming but in gaming feature sets the Vega is above anything on the market atm. Just a shame atm it won't be relating to fps. If i was buying a card and keeping it for a good few years i would buy Vega as i know it won't be going out of fashion any time soon. The price needs to be right though. It's a bit like saying Fermi was not a gaming card as a lot of it was engineered for compute.
That is if one needs to do hes gaming with 4K/1440p 8xAA 32xAF which is something I dont understand. Never in million years are you going to see any difference. And the games you want to run 144fps + you dont have time to stare rocks and try to fiqure out if its better with all maxed or all high. This is ofcourse my opinnion. Polaris is good for 1080 and 1440p and big Vega is going to get you trough 1440/4K just fine. If you need for some Godly reason run sensless options there is no option but to buy Titan xp or 1080ti. Im looking to upgrade my GTX770 runnin 1440p and 1060/470/480 looks good for me. Its almost funny how the market has gone ahead. Five years ago if you said anybody else than most harcore user is willing to pay for gfx card 500-800 you would have been laughed out of the room. Now its everyone and their grandmom needs atleast 1070 to run their 1080p screens.
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Of course its true, they know they've got buckleys of selling many to gamers, as we're past Vega now, its old hat, we've had much better performing cards, that use way less power than it, for over a year now.
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IF what we hear is true regarding power requirements then in order to look attractive against the 1080 (assuming similar performance) then it needs to be no more than £400 in my eyes.
The issue will be the fact AMD have gone with HBM2 I imagine their margins of profit are going to be very small on these cards.
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But then wont the mining craze just add another £100 on to the retail price for these cards?
The issue will be the fact AMD have gone with HBM2 I imagine their margins of profit are going to be very small on these cards.
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But then wont the mining craze just add another £100 on to the retail price for these cards?
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