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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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if the drivers have a gaming mode and the manufacturer is telling you what driver to use if you quote "just want to game" then the manufacturer MUST think it's a credible gaming card and therefor should be treated as such. It's as simple as that, really.
 
V F said:
Why start a jack of all trades now? It has always been, want a card for CAD/Rendering any Pro stuff get a Fire GL or Quadro. Consumers/gamers get GeForce and Radeon.
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Well I guess there's a demand for such a card, that's usually how it works. I doubt AMD decided to just take a stab in the dark.
 
You never got Pro cards for £500... They were always £1,000 to £3,000? I remember Apple selling the Quadro's for crazy prices. £4,400?
 
james.miller said:
if the drivers have a gaming mode and the manufacturer is telling you what driver to use if you quote "just want to game" then the manufacturer MUST think it's a credible gaming card and therefor should be treated as such. It's as simple as that, really.
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i don't see any RX drivers available on the site yet though.
 
V F said:
Why start a jack of all trades now? It has always been, want a card for CAD/Rendering any Pro stuff get a Fire GL or Quadro. Consumers/gamers get GeForce and Radeon.
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There are plenty of situations where a card that can perform in Pro applications is needed, but you don't necessarily need the certification process for the card or drivers. The Vega FE seems to be trying to fill this gap.
 
iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
I'm not sure how you can look at AMDs FE page and conclude that it's a gaming card, they're clearly marketing it as a workstation/creative card: https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/product/radeon-vega-frontier-edition/

AMD give the option to game on it, that doesn't mean AMD are explicitly selling it as a gaming card.

As TheRealDeal mentioned, it needs testing in all areas. No one in their right mind would buy an FE purely for gaming.
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If you scroll down to the driver download section of the page you linked, you get this:

I Just Want to Game.
If you want to game on a Windows® platform, get your driver here and switch to “Gaming Mode.”
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That tell's us the FE is being promoted as a Jack of all Trades graphics card, What I don't get is why people are claiming otherwise.

Yes it's not just for Gaming and yes it's price alone states it too but it is game ready according to AMD.
 
nashathedog said:
If you scroll down to the driver download section of the page you linked, you get this:



That tell's us the FE is being promoted as a Jack of all Trades graphics card, What I don't get is why people are claiming otherwise.

Yes it's not just for Gaming and yes it's price alone states it too but it is game ready according to AMD.
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Yeah I don't get why people are claiming otherwise either, it is a jack of all trades, and so should be tested in all areas.

Game ready according to AMD? well I think it was probably rushed to meet a deadline.

Jokester said:
It's a question of whether it's gaming performance is somehow gimped and not representative of the RX or not.
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Did Raja not say that the RX would be better for gaming? Hard to know what is meant by that, could just mean better price/performance ratio (I.E a cheaper card with the same performance) or it could mean better performance.
 
The cost of being an early adopter I guess, I don't really know if they are right or wrong to cater to those early adopter people, on one hand they are marketing this for consumers who want to be first and access some kind of prestige (and it's good for YT vids as well), marketing as purely pro card wouldn't have attracted those people so they did do the right thing, but on the other hand it's giving them a bad name... Nvidia can get away with it on the Titan brand because everyone knows to expect a Ti, that will even be potentially faster but with less ram and cheaper, but because it's a first for AMD everyone is wondering (rightfully so) what the "normal" card will be. It probably wasn't a smart move from AMD to introduce an "in between" sectors card first, I don't know, they tried the "titan" thing and it's backfiring because they lack the mindshare and the credibility to do it.

Maybe they could kill the FP16 and FP64 perf on the RX card, wouldn't that have the potential of bringing better gaming perf ? It would make sense they would do that if it could gain gaming performance, it would also separate the FE from the RX line.
 
iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
Did Raja not say that the RX would be better for gaming? Hard to know what is meant by that, could just mean better price/performance ratio (I.E a cheaper card with the same performance) or it could mean better performance.
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I think he specifically said both didn't he ? That it would be cheaper and perform better in gaming
 
Mauller said:
i don't see any RX drivers available on the site yet though.
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The RX drivers won't be available until the card is released.

Jokester said:
It's a question of whether it's gaming performance is somehow gimped and not representative of the RX or not.
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Yeah, and if the RX has got some features, that the FE hasn't (which he said), so the FE isn't as all we assume, and thats just a more expensive RX, with double the memory.

The RX drivers should hopefully tell us that (if they do activate the tiled raster n what not), as someone with an FE, will no doubt try them on it.
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
The RX drivers should hopefully tell us that (if they do activate the tiled raster n what not), as someone with an FE, will no doubt try them on it.
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It is still not clear to me whether the draw stream binning approach requires games to facilitate it (in order to achieve good utilization) or not.

If it does, then it may be that without games doing X, the improvement is minimal (hence the abysmal performance of Vega FE and by extension it will not improve much in RX Vega). Anyway... We'll soon find out...
 
akarypid said:
It is still not clear to me whether the draw stream binning approach requires games to facilitate it (in order to achieve good utilization) or not.

If it does, then it may be that without games doing X, the improvement is minimal (hence the abysmal performance of Vega FE and by extension it will not improve much in RX Vega). Anyway... We'll soon find out...
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Yup.
 
akarypid said:
It is still not clear to me whether the draw stream binning approach requires games to facilitate it (in order to achieve good utilization) or not.

If it does, then it may be that without games doing X, the improvement is minimal (hence the abysmal performance of Vega FE and by extension it will not improve much in RX Vega). Anyway... We'll soon find out...
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From what I've seen there are 3 different pipelines - traditional, some kind of quasi tile based deferred immediate mode which is basically a compatibility hack without full performance benefits and the full tiled based implementation with maximum performance - from the looks of it drivers can force the first 2 but its upto the application developer to support the highest performance variant.

AMD seem to have gone for a more "elegant" solution rather than nVidia's brute force implementation with better ability to flexibly handle different loads but downside is it seems it needs more input from developers to get the same or better levels of performance from it so....

EDIT: From reading up on it the approach AMD is using is more about power (snigger) and bandwidth saving than all out performance while nVidia uses a brute force approach that can also have bigger implications for performance.
 
card is releasing next week, and we are still clueless about its specs. AMD, still playing these childish mental marketing games. Just show us the *%£!&$# card you idiots. So bored with it all now.
 
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iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
Oh ok, I don't have the quote so not sure, It will almost certainly be cheaper, I think that's a given, would be great to see the RX closer to the Ti than to the 1080.
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http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57629/raja-koduri-talked-radeon-rx-vega-reddit-ama/index.html

Koduri was asked if the consumer RX Vega version of the card will be "as fast as the Frontier version", to which he replied: "Consumer RX will be much better optimized for all the top gaming titles and flavors of RX Vega will actually be faster than Frontier version!"

He didn't talk about pricing though, but yeah he was specific in saying the RX vega would be faster.
 
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