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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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akarypid said:
Honestly, what do you expect? I mean, think about it for a bit: put yourself in the shoes of someone at AMD's marketing department and then someone at Nvidia's.

If you were working for AMD and knew you had a dog of a card (slower than the competition, more power hungry, expensive if you factor out the Freesync/Gsync factor, and also arriving quite late) what would you do? They're obviously doing the best they can out of the situation. They're mixing in the Freesync/Gsync factor for price reasons (e.g. to point out that Vega vs Pascal is not cheap, but Vega+Freesync is cheaper than Pascal+Gsync). They're doing blind tests to point out that "sure it's slower, but at these speeds you can't tell the difference". And so on and so on...

Meanwhile the marketing guy at Nvidia is sitting at a desk and in come the techies with: "it's faster, it's cool and quiet, it's early and has no competition" I mean how hard is your job right? No need for smoke, no need for BS, just tell the performance and the (inflated because ...why not?) price and you're done.
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Exactly, I did say this back in Nov/Dec. My words were a whole lot of effort and expense just to compete with a smaller Gp104.

As you say they can't price the cards cheaper than Gp104 so they are trying to bang the G-sync/ F-sync cherry on top, to entice the value for money factor.
 
The problem is, even if these were on par with the 1080 and are a better bang for buck, nvidia will release Volta and Vega will be a generation behind :( it's a shame, I'd have liked to have returned to amd CPU and GPU
 
Tom B said:
The problem is, even if these were on par with the 1080 and are a better bang for buck, nvidia will release Volta and Vega will be a generation behind :( it's a shame, I'd have liked to have returned to amd CPU and GPU
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I sure AMD is also working on navi right now. What's to say this also on schedule for 2018.
So how will they be behind a generation? If Vega is indeed 1080 / 1080ti levels them AMD have matched this generation. So they not behind a generation.
 
D.P. said:
Lol

You might want to relAX that Vega is not for gaming since They are the ones explicitly selling it as a card for gaming, shipping g it with drivers that have a gaming mode,and they even compared it to a Nicosia gaming card using Nicosia gaming g drivers.



Stop with this complete nonsense, makes you look ridiculous
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Nicosia? lol! I was there a couple of years ago :D

shankly1985 said:
I sure AMD is also working on navi right now. What's to say this also on schedule for 2018.
So how will they be behind a generation? If Vega is indeed 1080 / 1080ti levels them AMD have matched this generation. So they not behind a generation.
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To be honest the way things seem to be going with AMD, I won't be surprised is Navi comes out 1+ year after Volta.

If AMD are struggling now with Vega drivers, how are they going to handle Navi drivers one must ask themselves?
 
FoxEye said:
AMD's own slides show they will not have the top performing cards this gen. Those slides can be found in this thread.

Vega is targeting the 1070/1080 market, but Ti and Titan are not going to have a competitor at all this gen.

I'm afraid it's 100x more likely that the "event" (if you can call it that) featured Big Vega against a 1080, because that is where AMD is right now. They are nowhere near the Ti or the Titan.

Two weeks to confirmation. Then we can shunt the Hype Train into a shed, and start dismantling it for its scrap value :p
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That'unfortunately the way it's looking. Just seems ridiculous they'd go to such trouble and expensive to be 2 year old tech (performance wise)
 
shankly1985 said:
I sure AMD is also working on navi right now. What's to say this also on schedule for 2018.
So how will they be behind a generation? If Vega is indeed 1080 / 1080ti levels them AMD have matched this generation. So they not behind a generation.
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18 months later ... which is a huge amount of time in this bissness. Heck Nvidia has already been showing working Volta back in may, shipping it in Telsa cards soon, it won't take much work or time to make a consumer/gamer card now
 
LoadsaMoney said:
From that FE page you linked too.



That is them saying, that it is just a gaming card, and thats why it doesn't make sense.

As i said earlier in the thread, they should have put what Raja said there, if you just want to game, then wait for the RX.
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Haha, are you joking or what?

They're clearly giving the option for people to also use the card for gaming, "I just want to game" is not the same as This is just a gaming card.

I can't believe some people are having trouble with this distinction.

So the entire AMD Webpage is filled with Compute/deep learning/creation jargon, but you'll choose to completely ignore all of that and focus entirely on the fact that they're offering a gaming driver so you can game on the card.
 
shankly1985 said:
I sure AMD is also working on navi right now. What's to say this also on schedule for 2018.
So how will they be behind a generation? If Vega is indeed 1080 / 1080ti levels them AMD have matched this generation. So they not behind a generation.
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They are what, 14 months late to the party right now? And we're assuming low availability for a while. By the time consumers can get their hands on Vega, AMD might be 18 months behind, and Volta right around the corner.

Isn't that a generation behind?
 
If AMD really have screwed the pooch on this, it makes thing easier for Intel too.

Yeah cpu is more profit, but at least AMD gpus have remained competitive until recently.

If AMD allow Nvidia anymore control (the remaing 2% of market )

They'll be back to trying to come from behind whilst budgeting R&D for cpu and gpu.

I'm sure nany people will agree they are in a better position than they have been, thanks mostly in part to Intel not knowing how trousers work.
 
TNA said:
Nicosia? lol! I was there a couple of years ago :D


To be honest the way things seem to be going with AMD, I won't be surprised is Navi comes out 1+ year after Volta.

If AMD are struggling now with Vega drivers, how are they going to handle Navi drivers one must ask themselves?
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KillBoY_UK said:
18 months later ... which is a huge amount of time in this bissness. Heck Nvidia has already been showing working Volta back in may, shipping it in Telsa cards soon, it won't take much work or time to make a consumer/gamer card now
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FoxEye said:
They are what, 14 months late to the party right now? And we're assuming low availability for a while. By the time consumers can get their hands on Vega, AMD might be 18 months behind, and Volta right around the corner.

Isn't that a generation behind?
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Lets say Nvidia release Volta May 2018 and AMD Release Navi August 2018 They they will have catched up. Sure if Navi comes 2019 then they are defo way behind.
The Road map shows Navi between 2018 and 2019 with Next Gen 2019 and 2020 Onwards

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iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
Haha, are you joking or what?

They're clearly giving the option for people to also use the card for gaming, "I just want to game" is not the same as This is just a gaming card.

I can't believe some people are having trouble with this distinction.

So the entire AMD Webpage is filled with Compute/deep learning/creation jargon, but you'll choose to completely ignore all of that and focus entirely on the fact that they're offering a gaming driver so you can game on the card.
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It's totally bizarre isn't it, how could anyone look at the webpage for Frontier Vega and conclude it was a gaming card? There are literally only 2 lines in the whole page that make reference to gaming and they are the last two lines in the driver download section.

D.P. said:
They are the ones explicitly selling it as a card for gaming


Stop with this complete nonsense, makes you look ridiculous
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Oh, will you please stop with the nonsense. AMD aren't explicitly selling the card for gaming. What sort of idiot would read the Frontier Vega webpage and think it was a gaming card?
 
iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
Haha, are you joking or what?

They're clearly giving the option for people to also use the card for gaming, "I just want to game" is not the same as This is just a gaming card.

I can't believe some people are having trouble with this distinction.

So the entire AMD Webpage is filled with Compute/deep learning/creation jargon, but you'll choose to completely ignore all of that and focus entirely on the fact that they're offering a gaming driver so you can game on the card.
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Why start a jack of all trades now? It has always been, want a card for CAD/Rendering any Pro stuff get a Fire GL or Quadro. Consumers/gamers get GeForce and Radeon.
 
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