McLaren 570S

Absolutely stunning.

Great to see two generations of the best road cars money can buy in the same shot.

So true and those 5 series are lovely too.

How would they know if warranty work required was a result of tracking it or normal driving?

Well the systems would probably give that away, as would the factory fitted tracking. I am also told by a couple of people that have started working with and on the McLaren range that their systems are very clever and very locked down and accessing them is not a work of moments.
 
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Mclaren systems run Heathrow air traffic control so I trust that comment.

Anyway to keep a mclaren warranty I think you need an oil change before a track day. Guess this is the issue if you bypass this then have a problem.
 
My thoughts on the test drive now I have been able to compare it to my R8....

Today I spent about 45 minutes driving the car on different road types. That isn't enough time to get any deep levels of insight, but it does allow me to start to form an opinion of the car and if I like it or not. Test drives have changed for these sorts of cars as today I was accompanied and there was a camera fitted inside the car, which was an insurance demand so one has to be sensible. I totally understand why and if it were my stock I would do the same as I know how driving skill varies and frankly I would not want to sit next to people I don't know in these sorts of cars as you take your life in your hands. It is getting less common these days to simply be given the keys and told to bring it back in a few hours, though to be fair that is what happened with the new R8 I drove.

From taking the drivers seat I felt the driving position was about perfect. Low enough with good vision, really good vision out the front of the car and all round. It is an easy car to position on the road and feels smaller than its dimensions suggest. It felt different to my R8 straight away as the steering had an odd feel to it first off. I would say it is very accurate and has a tendency to react to the road surface and camber, which I like, but it does have a programmed feel to it. I've been spoilt having had a 6 GT3 and driven a Noble M400 so know what great feels like. There is zero question in my mind that modern systems, programmed do not provide the same level of feel of older systems and though very accurate that is a shame. It's is in no way bad, in fact it is very good, just different.

Brakes were just like my GT3. Little servo so you need to go find them but that is great once use to it. Pedal sits down the centre line so is a little different to many cars but once I got my feet sorted it felt really good. I would need a lot more time to properly play myself into the braking, today didn't allow me to do that at all really. Same with the steering as well, that I am sure I would like and do like, it just felt different to my R8, not better, not worse, just different, lighter.

Power deliver is immense and it revs high. Flat plane V8 with 2 big turbos deliver massive go in any gear and when you open the taps it really gets up and goes. I of course didn't go over the speed limit anywhere, but had I done so then I would have found it really quick, immensely so and quicker than the R8. It seemed to put the power down really well, but again I would need more time to explore that. It has many many settings for dampers, gearbox, engine maps etc and I had not real time to explore these, they just take too much time and my focus was on power, turning and braking. The damping is really good, better than my R8 but then that is a fixed set up, this has clever dampers but it rides really nicely in the soft mode and in the track mode is too stiff for road really in most places, but on track would be superb I suspect.

The issue (not a game stopper I hasten to add) for me and tonights drive back clearly showed me is the engine. It is a bit of a charisma vacuum, it is fast, so fast and it really pushes the car along well and goes as you would want it to go, but even with a full sports exhaust inside it sounds meh and outside louder, much louder but still meh. V10 kills it, destroys it as an event, the McLaren is maybe a 6 the R8 a V10 out of 10. 570S is quicker though, but having followed my mates 12C for 100's of miles, a car with even more horses the difference in real terms is not significant as it may feel on driving them apart. Turbo v NA engines always do that. Today collecting my car and pulling down a slip road I got a bigger smile at full throttle than my 45 minutes today the McLaren, which is interesting.

However having said all this it is a more dynamic and special car I suspect. Today did not allow me to feel that, but I am happy to take at face value all the road tests and friends who have them that they really are a very special car. Think I want it, now I need to work out if throwing 60K away in 3 years is something I am happy to do as that is a hell of a lot of money and could go to many a better use....but cars are a very important thing for me now my mojo is back so it's much more than a spreadsheet decision. It is a "does it make all the hard work worth it" and that is something only I can answer.

If you get the chance drive one, they are fantastic and as said I would without question take one over the new R8 V10+ on anything but price. Now to work that quandary out....
 
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NA rules !

I only drove the V10 plus around Millbrook apline circuit and it was all a bit of blur. But I do remember the power was insane.

Shame I don't remember much else for fear of stacking it :(. I always wanted to get an R8 V8 but think it needs the V10 in a car like that
 
now I need to work out if throwing 60K away in 3 years is something I am happy to do as that is a hell of a lot of money and could go to many a better use...

Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick but by that comment do you mean that's how much the 570s is anticipated to devalue over 3 years?
 
Apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick but by that comment do you mean that's how much the 570s is anticipated to devalue over 3 years?

After 3 years on a 174K the ballon is 88K, so probably more. Dealers will look for 15K margin on these so a car at 145K today was probably traded at 130K.
 
Seems like you could put the money in 'safer' cars ? Surely a 911 is not going to take a bath on residuals ?
 
NA rules !

I only drove the V10 plus around Millbrook apline circuit and it was all a bit of blur. But I do remember the power was insane.

Shame I don't remember much else for fear of stacking it :(. I always wanted to get an R8 V8 but think it needs the V10 in a car like that

It really is a car once you get to know it can hooligan around in, it will look after you. At the Ring last month I lost the rear end and the systems sorted it. There was oil, I was not going quickly due to the issues I was having and was driving back to the pits to park it, but at maybe 90mph the back broke away due to oil. I corrected it, but the systems made it a none event, shut it all down, braked it, sorted.

Cross country it will hold a 2017 GTR, 991 RS and 12C with not a lot of effort in the right hands and carry frankly mad speeds. It is a leave the systems on car, but even when you do turn them off it goes a you'd expect it to go....but that has to be the right roads as you can also run out of talent and find a big bill just as you think you have it sussed. But all great cars should be like that.
 
Seems like you could put the money in 'safer' cars ? Surely a 911 is not going to take a bath on residuals ?

Agreed, but I think the bubble is about to burst in them. McLaren's, aside form what the dealers tell people are not something the market knows how to value properly at the moment. At 110K the 12C and 140K for a 570S you have a better buy, but I still think they could be £90K and £120K in 12 months. I know how much I was offered a nearly new car for and how much therefore it had lost on list. I am not a truly wealthy chap, I do OK, I have good years, really good but I can't dump 175K on a car without a thought. Big money for me, need to ensure I don't risk anything which is why I will put a big deposit in and only one I am wiling to accept I might/probably won't get back.
 
V10 kills it, destroys it as an event,

Aye, turbos really do make a great engine boring.

GTR's can get to "ok" but never "amazing" because of it, even if you de-cat the downpipes and run a straight though, you get loud and meaty, but never that exotic touch despite how quickly it revs.
 
I can see how the 570S has won so many awards, it really is a stunning car, not perfect, but probably the best supercar starter car out there today. It will be great to drive, goes like stink and doesn't seem mad to run either. I like it a lot, it's my target car still.
 
Oh, and if you want to hear something on the level of "God out of 10" come with me when I go see an LFA next week ;)
 
Agreed, but I think the bubble is about to burst in them. McLaren's, aside form what the dealers tell people are not something the market knows how to value properly at the moment. At 110K the 12C and 140K for a 570S you have a better buy, but I still think they could be £90K and £120K in 12 months. I know how much I was offered a nearly new car for and how much therefore it had lost on list. I am not a truly wealthy chap, I do OK, I have good years, really good but I can't dump 175K on a car without a thought. Big money for me, need to ensure I don't risk anything which is why I will put a big deposit in and only one I am wiling to accept I might/probably won't get back.


What do you do?
 
Fab pieces of kit. Likely where I'd put my money. Like a scaled-up Lotus with a big boosty V8. Perfect! Looking forward to seeing what you make of it.
This sums it up well the more I think about it. It does feel a lot lighter than the R8 and that is really nice.
 
Totally agree with you RE the noise, too. I wish they'd do a naturally aspirated special edition with, say, 450bhp. Throttle-bodied heaven...
 
Glad you enjoyed your time in the 570S! Not surprised about the comments regarding the engine. From reading online I get the impression you get one of these because the suspension setup is crazy good, but it would be so hard to compete with that NA V10 (not that the turbo V8 is lacking in power!). If the R8 had been trouble free would you be heading in a different direction I wonder?

Difficult to know where else to put that much cash into a really special car at the moment. A 911 just doesn't come close to how the McLaren looks, not sure what sort of Ferrari you'd get for your cash and a DB11 isn't exactly a focused drivers car in comparison. Honda and Mercedes have some nice offerings but again they're not McLaren special. I suppose the unreliability of the R8 would put your off a Lamborghini. I think half the issue is the list prices of a lot of established super car manufacturers are north of £200k now.
 
I would love a Mclaren, before I changed to my Evora 400 I did look at what body parts I could sell to get one :)
I do agree with the above on sound, even with an aftermarket exhaust I don't think they sound as awesome as they should, and I am not sure if they are worth the premium, but if I had the cash and could afford it I would love to have one :)
 
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