Not just that. Look at resale. If two Identical cars come up. 1 serviced by Mclaren and one by an Indy. Which one will be worth more/ More saleable
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Not just that. Look at resale. If two Identical cars come up. 1 serviced by Mclaren and one by an Indy. Which one will be worth more/ More saleable
Depends on the Indy
If it were my money I'd always go with the dealer serviced vehicle.
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that's very different than some other McLaren owners comments. At another forum called cars.mclaren.com, they said McLaren is the Honda of sports car. Except that GPS, nothing goes wrong
However, the MP4-12C is a buggy car, so they were talking about the 650, they do agree that the Mp4-12C has problems
Granted GTRs arent in the same price bracket as McLarens, but a service book filled with Litchfeild/AT/Kaizer service stamps will hold a lot more weight than a book filled with Nissan High Performance Center stamps.
Same as DP/UGR/Hefner/Nth Moto etc for Lambos
Paul Matias for Lotuses
SSC for most things over 100k
Dealer stamps are for people with OCD and million quid hypercars.
Too early to say with the 540/570.
One of the core issue was the dealers were simply not set up to support the cars in the early days and the 12C was riddled with issues that impacted those first in. They also **** cash come resale and that put a lot of people off the brand completely. I know people who will never buy another no matter how good they may be. I think they are now in a much better place and the 12C has been worked to a point where reliability is better but all of them need more miles before anyone can claim they are like Honda's.
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the other McLaren after 12C, what year did they come out?
If we count 10 yr. from the first "After 12C McLaren ", then we would know
If we count 10 yr. from the first "After 12C McLaren ", then we would know
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I was looking at the Ferrari 458 spider a Du Pont Registry (current mth.) vs. the Ferrari 488 Spider. with the tiny difference of the 2 cars, an used 458 spider w/ a little bit of mileage is US$80K LESS than the 488 spider. A Civic Si Coupe 2010, the price is $13K, but a new 2017 Si coupe is $31K, same HP, slightly different at the front / back, but in reality, it's the same car with small improvement.
also check this out:
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-570s/32937-worth-buying-570s-new.html
I thought w/ such a big price difference, if I have $ for a 570 spider, I would buy an used one providing the maintenance cost per year is less than $2K to $4K
by the way, don't click this video of this UK dealer unless you want to buy a 570S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPpQNhIkz9c
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Cruised with one on the M25 recently. Stunning car and some impressive power.
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I want to retract the prior comment that someone at McLarenLife.com told me the "McLaren is the Honda of sports car". He's obviously lying.
The 570 is a newer ver. of 650, but essentially the same car, different engine. So looking at the history of 650, at that forum, there are a no. of serious issues:
1) engine on fire:
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-650s/73553-mclaren-650s-fire-new-jersey.html
2) coolant leak
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-650s/41426-650s-leaking-blue-fluid.html
3) poor service, a lack of parts for months, while the owner have to continue to pay insurance
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-650s/75129-mclaren-service-sucks.html
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So there are problems. (I only view thru the first 8 pages) A good question that I have is:
this car is $100K LESS than Ferrari 488 spider, is there something wrong w/ this car to make it $100K cheaper? comparing similar car of other brand name
I always wonder why there is so many problems with these exotic cars, even though you pay $200K more than an average car.
For e.g., a Honda Civic SI Coupe can do 200 HP, you talk to every honda owner, there is no need to do any repair, it can still accelerate quite fast, and you never have to worry the engine will catch fire.
Now if we pay $200K+ more, we end up more trouble than a $30K car can do, what gives?
The 570 is a newer ver. of 650, but essentially the same car, different engine. So looking at the history of 650, at that forum, there are a no. of serious issues:
1) engine on fire:
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-650s/73553-mclaren-650s-fire-new-jersey.html
2) coolant leak
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-650s/41426-650s-leaking-blue-fluid.html
3) poor service, a lack of parts for months, while the owner have to continue to pay insurance
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-650s/75129-mclaren-service-sucks.html
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So there are problems. (I only view thru the first 8 pages) A good question that I have is:
this car is $100K LESS than Ferrari 488 spider, is there something wrong w/ this car to make it $100K cheaper? comparing similar car of other brand name
I always wonder why there is so many problems with these exotic cars, even though you pay $200K more than an average car.
For e.g., a Honda Civic SI Coupe can do 200 HP, you talk to every honda owner, there is no need to do any repair, it can still accelerate quite fast, and you never have to worry the engine will catch fire.
Now if we pay $200K+ more, we end up more trouble than a $30K car can do, what gives?
The 30k cars are all built on the same software, the same components that are over-engineered and are under-tuned. They are built with 10x more reliability and safety margin than is ever needed.
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No it's not. The 570 is from the Sport Series where the 650 is from their Super Series, the class above. The 720s is the replacement to the 650s. The latter had serious issues for sure given that it was heavily based on their original MP4-12C, their first car. But the 570 came much later so it's not fair to base its reliability of the 650s.
Also, your comparison to the 488 is also unfair, that's the 720s's competitor.
Just compare the number of cars that Honda make and the number of years that they have been making them compared to McLaren. They have a huge database of information on how to make cars and manufacturing processes and how to improve things from generation to generation. They will also cover many hundreds of thousands of miles during testing that a small company that only makes a couple of thousand cars a year can't get close to.
As to the big OEMs not having issues just look at the recalls that happen when things go wrong after the cars have been released to the public.
Ferrari prices are out on their own in terms of residuals atm - 458s are holding their value ridiculously well, because they are the last of the N/A Ferrari mid-engined sports cars, but even bog standard 488s are still selling for a premium over factory prices. Ferrari do well do manage production and demand. McLarens are pretty well known for haemorrhaging value - talking £80-90k over 2 years for the early 12C and 650S owners. 
Either way I think there are some deals to be had at the moment. Lots of McLaren people trading up to the 720S, so selling their 12C/650S/570S in anticipation, but also at the same time there are lots of people getting out of their supercar as the uncertainty of brexit approaches, which means there are a lot of cars available and at lower prices than you might think.
Either way I think there are some deals to be had at the moment. Lots of McLaren people trading up to the 720S, so selling their 12C/650S/570S in anticipation, but also at the same time there are lots of people getting out of their supercar as the uncertainty of brexit approaches, which means there are a lot of cars available and at lower prices than you might think.
Im struggling to follow you somewhat, might be my fault but not sure what the Honda thing, outside of a comment some person you don't know made and some Top Trumps comparisons.
Are you in the market to buy one or are you simply pulling facts from various sources to form an opinion? Nothing wrong with that, but as I know quite a few owners of McLarens, from 12c's right up to P1 GTR's I form my opinion based on chatting with them, many of who post on Maclife.
The fact you talk dollars I guess means you are not in the UK, so again the service experience might be different where you are, so not really apples for apples.
Ferrari prices are out on their own in terms of residuals atm - 458s are holding their value ridiculously well, because they are the last of the N/A Ferrari mid-engined sports cars, but even bog standard 488s are still selling for a premium over factory prices. Ferrari do well do manage production and demand. McLarens are pretty well known for haemorrhaging value - talking £80-90k over 2 years for the early 12C and 650S owners.
Either way I think there are some deals to be had at the moment. Lots of McLaren people trading up to the 720S, so selling their 12C/650S/570S in anticipation, but also at the same time there are lots of people getting out of their supercar as the uncertainty of brexit approaches, which means there are a lot of cars available and at lower prices than you might think.
It think we will see 570S's trading in the 110's before the end of the year.