Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[triss]

I think the point is that nvidia gpu's are expensive, which you are supporting if you buy one. Also, some people object to their business practices and would prefer not to buy nvidia.

I used to buy amd because they were the best bang for buck, but now that I'm older and have a decent job, the only way upwards is nvidia. So we need Vega to be good because if nvidia have a stranglehold on the top end they will continue to stay expensive.

So I understand the concept of holding out to support a business because you want more market competition.

And if Vega is 1080 or more price and performance how has you holding out helped?

 

[benjii]

I think the biggest indication that this is a paper launch is the lack of a winky thread from Gibbo!

 

[Martini1991]

If this is a paper launch then AMD have truly pulled out all the stops to make this a fail launch

 

[AlamoX]

I think the biggest indication that this is a paper launch is the lack of a winky thread from Gibbo!

not necessarily, vega seem to have the same SKUs as Fury, meaning X and Pro variants, X exclusive to AMD, and Pro for AIBs, if this is the case, then it's normal that retailers or AIBs dont have samples few weeks prior.
i can still see AMD launching Vega X end of july, then the pro around september or end of august.

 

[Rannoch]

There will be AMD benchmarks by then but when you look at how different their Fury X v 980ti benchmarks were when compared to reviewers benchmarks 2 day's later I'm not sure how reliable they'll be.

I need a new card asap, but I'll wait to see "proper" benchmarks.

 

[nashathedog]

AMD have to be better and cheaper, because they are the underdog and a year late. Unless Vega is a spectacular performer, why would anyone buy it in favour of a cheaper 1080 that is from the incumbent and most supported company? And Nvidia will cut prices if Vega is anywhere near them in top performance.

It'll be interesting to see what Nvidia do in response to Vega.

 

[Rannoch]

Will a 650 PSU cover it? I need a new PSU that I have to order today. I may not get Vega but want to be ready if it delivers.

 

[nashathedog]

Are you low end gaming only? If not then I don't understand that personally. If you want to game, at least out of the low end, you have to consider Nvidia.
I'm not overly fond of AMD past products due to past experience but if they were well ahead of the game with GPU's, I would pick up an AMD GPU in an instant. I wouldn't wait and wait for my preferred competitor to come out with something. Life's too short for that.
Fine if you wait it out now as we're nearly there but if AMD don't come up with the goods, just look elsewhere dude

Based on his monitor in the sig my guess is he's wanting to keep using Freesync, that's probably why he's saying Nvidia's not in the running at this time.

 

[DazQ87]

It'll be interesting to see what Nvidia do in response to Vega.

It's attitudes like this which are going to result in the eventual loss of AMD, lots of people only seem to want AMD to even exist to keep the price of nvida cards in check without actually buying an AMD card themselves. Then we can all enjoy having an Nvidia only market where the progress stalls to intel-like levels where they can charge what they like for it as well...

 

[nashathedog]

I need a new card asap, but I'll wait to see "proper" benchmarks.

I think Vega's going to be a good gpu and great for Freesyncer's but I've got alarm bells ringing in my head over pricing.

 

[benjii]

I think Vega's going to be a good gpu and great for Freesyncer's but I've got alarm bells ringing in my head over pricing.

That's my concern too. Despite it being new and there being an AIO version, they surely have to appreciate its value when compared to the 1070/1080.

 

[nashathedog]

It's attitudes like this which are going to result in the eventual loss of AMD, lots of people only seem to want AMD to even exist to keep the price of nvida cards in check without actually buying an AMD card themselves. Then we can all enjoy having an Nvidia only market where the progress stalls to intel-like levels where they can charge what they like for it as well...

Really? So you're saying that wanting to see how it affects overall pricing means AMD's doomed? Having spent 300+ on a 290x and then 400+ on a Fury pro I've done my bit by supporting AMD during the lean years when everyone else was buying Maxwell. I'll buy from either company but I currently have a Freesync monitor so I'm hoping Nvidia will drop prices which in turn will start a price war.

 

[bru]

Ok so let's day that RX Vega arrives in a week and performs significantly better than the FE variant, what is that saying to all the people that paid a lot of money for said FE variant?

At the end of the day, the Frontier Edition is a complete product in its own right and they didn't launch it as a vague early release demo of their upcoming gaming card.

 

[nashathedog]

That's my concern too. Despite it being new and there being an AIO version, they surely have to appreciate its value when compared to the 1070/1080.

Let's hope so, If it's priced fairly I'll order straight away but if it isn't I'll wait and hopefully we'll see a situation similar to what we saw with the overpriced on release Nano which got given a massive price drop all be it temporarily not that long after release.

 

[DazQ87]

Really? So you're saying that wanting to see how it affects overall pricing means AMD's doomed? Having spent 300+ on a 290x and then 400+ on a Fury pro I've done my bit by supporting AMD during the lean years where everyone else was buying Maxwell so I don't really care what other's think I'll buy from either company and hopefully Nvidia will drop prices which in turn will start a price war.

I'm generalizing, and not aiming specifically at you, but I do see a lot of people who only want cheap Nvidia cards and don't appreciate that AMD has to survive for that to be a possibility in the future. I've bought from both sides myself, its just a worrying attitude for people to have because if it's sustained for long enough it will end up with just a single card provider in the end which is of course bad news for everybody.

It's probably a good thing Nvidia don't support freesync because I suspect they did more people would have bought 1070s/1080s by now and left AMD with an even smaller market share and less R+D budget.

Anyway I will probably buy an AIO vega at launch, I want something to replace my fury-x and I really like how quiet the cooler on that is so I'm sold on AIOs for the foreseeable future. So much so that I would be willing to buy a card with slightly worse performance-per-pound if it has an AIO to keep the noise down.

 

[subbytna]

It's attitudes like this which are going to result in the eventual loss of AMD, lots of people only seem to want AMD to even exist to keep the price of nvida cards in check without actually buying an AMD card themselves. Then we can all enjoy having an Nvidia only market where the progress stalls to intel-like levels where they can charge what they like for it as well...

Is exactly right. The percentage of gamers who game at GTX1080 levels and above, is miniscule compared to the overall market. Having an AMD card that is between 1080 and 1080Ti is absolutely fine. Lots of Nvidia "fans" are just sucked into the sheep mindset of Nvidia is most popular so I must use it myself attitudes. Wheras AMD are at the forefront of new tech and amazing software engineering (see HMB memory as a single example) Nvidia just plog along, milking gamers for millions and providing ver little over the last 15 years.

 

[EsaT]

Like the first iteration of GCN which gave us the whole 7000 series range, In that case it may be as big a game changer as GCN was.

Though improving over its predecessor GCN just ended up as wrong kind game changer...
After AMD completely trouncing Fermi in power efficiency GCN somehow got AMD completely stuck in basically same power efficiency, while Nvidia kept advancing.
Kepler fixing Fermi's flaws, Maxwell then using tiled rendering to help offer about whole generation's performance advance at same manufacturing node and Pascal getting major benefit from new node...

Was it management's decisions or lack of development resources or what, but in the end GCN gave Nvidia its current lead.

 

[Steampunk]

It's attitudes like this which are going to result in the eventual loss of AMD, lots of people only seem to want AMD to even exist to keep the price of nvida cards in check without actually buying an AMD card themselves. Then we can all enjoy having an Nvidia only market where the progress stalls to intel-like levels where they can charge what they like for it as well...

Well no company has the right to a customer's money. If AMD can't produce a product that the market wants to buy, at the price the market wants to buy it, that's nobody's fault but their own. I say this as someone who is a long time AMD customer, but they've given me no worthwhile upgrade path from my 290. You can't get customers' money if you don't have anything to sell them. I want to see AMD do well, I want to give them my money, but not if they are going to join Nvidia in excessive profiteering at the expense of the customer.

I don't buy Apple or Nvidia because of that "our fans are so loyal we can charge anything we like" tax, but AMD isn't offering any alternatives. It was the same for years in the CPU market against Intel, until AMD made Ryzen. They have to do the same with Vega if they expect to make some kind of sea-change in a market they've neglected to Nvidia for so long.

 

[Panos]

I'm generalizing, and not aiming specifically at you, but I do see a lot of people who only want cheap Nvidia cards and don't appreciate that AMD has to survive for that to be a possibility in the future. I've bought from both sides myself, its just a worrying attitude for people to have because if it's sustained for long enough it will end up with just a single card provider in the end which is of course bad news for everybody.

It's probably a good thing Nvidia don't support freesync because I suspect they did more people would have bought 1070s/1080s by now and left AMD with an even smaller market share and less R+D budget.

Anyway I will probably buy an AIO vega at launch, I want something to replace my fury-x and I really like how quiet the cooler on that is so I'm sold on AIOs for the foreseeable future. So much so that I would be willing to buy a card with slightly worse performance-per-pound if it has an AIO to keep the noise down.

And I would like to add, the ability to use pass-through the AMD GPU on Linux to a windows VM machine for gaming without perf loss and while Linux is the host.
Something Nvidia doesn't support at all, and given the attitude, never will.

 

[EsaT]

Ok so let's day that RX Vega arrives in a week and performs significantly better than the FE variant, what is that saying to all the people that paid a lot of money for said FE variant?

No doubt AMD will bring any driver updates utilizing Vega's new features to FE's gaming driver.

Though Nvidia would surely just tell to suck it up (a'la Titan cards) and move on with sheeples forgeting it faster than they can open their wallets.