Talk to me about 640d Gran Coupe please
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unless you wear polarised glasses
I can't think that I've had a problem seeing mine! Think I might test this later...
I honestly can't get into my head why people say things like HUD, reversing camera, heated steering wheel etc are "must haves". I have never sat in a car and thought to myself that a reversing camera is a must have. If you cannot park a car without a reversing camera (PDC aside) then you should should consider gaining more spacial awareness; no offence intended to anyone this is simply how I feel about the current "must haves".
If you go on the M4 sub forum on M3Cutters it's filled with people who can't apparently live without HUD, heated steering wheels or full leather.
I do however understand that if you're spending a lot of money on a luxury/GT car that you want it to be filled with toys and optional extras.
If you go on the M4 sub forum on M3Cutters it's filled with people who can't apparently live without HUD, heated steering wheels or full leather.
I do however understand that if you're spending a lot of money on a luxury/GT car that you want it to be filled with toys and optional extras.
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You spends your money and makes your choice. If you are spending lots of money, you naturally have certain expectations on what you want to come with the car. For instance I suffer from cold hands and feet, so a heated steering wheel for winter is a very nice thing to have. Sure I can wear a pair of gloves but if my car can accommodate my requirement so I dont have to wear gloves whilst driving then all the better.
Likewise the parking camera, its not essential. I can happily park a long wheel based van but I would rather a car had a reversing camera as it makes things far easier, it certainly is on the XJ. You get used to things in cars you had previously and want to have them in the next car. If you never had them before, then you probably couldn't care less about them. I didn't have a heated steering wheel on my XF for instance and it never even past my mind before that but did on the XJ and thought it was great.
Your last sentence basically hits the nail on the head.
Have you driven one yet? I had a 640d GC for a couple of weeks earlier in the year and found the engine to be annoyingly laggy in a way that I never experienced in my old XFS. It's plenty powerful enough once going, but the delay between pressing the pedal and anything actually happening was just horrible IMO.
The car I had was pretty loaded up, but as a minimum I'd be wanting the HK stereo and adaptive LED lights with high beam assist, the full digital dash and HUD are great options too. You'll probably find the leather to feel pretty horrible unless you get the comfort seats with some Nappa or Merino leather, I'd also be looking for alcantara headlining. Coming from a decent trim level Jag, a base car will just feel a bit cheap and nasty without a few nice interior options to bring it closer to the luxury interior you're used to.
The car I had was pretty loaded up, but as a minimum I'd be wanting the HK stereo and adaptive LED lights with high beam assist, the full digital dash and HUD are great options too. You'll probably find the leather to feel pretty horrible unless you get the comfort seats with some Nappa or Merino leather, I'd also be looking for alcantara headlining. Coming from a decent trim level Jag, a base car will just feel a bit cheap and nasty without a few nice interior options to bring it closer to the luxury interior you're used to.
Having just put 2500 miles on an XF Portfolio I can't stop laughing reading this comment. It's probably a good point for the OP as he had an XJ but frankly you could probably go for a Kia Optima and not feel short changed after an XF.
You clearly don't understand what a quality feel is, Jag do (or did until the X260) it well, BMW struggle. The materials quality in the BMW, especially as standard is just laughable compared to the PL or Portfolio Jags.
I can only assume from this you've been nowhere near the current XF. I am very familiar with what a 'quality feel' is and nowhere did I find it in that car. There were things to like about it, but at no point did it feel like a product with quality even close to that of its rivals, despite being a Portfolio model. It was as if it had been felt that simply throwing kit at a car is good enough. It certainly wasn't short of kit, but it was very short of substance.
I've driven the current XF (that's the X260) and agree that they feel cheap, they've been built by an accountant and don't even have the choice of upgrading most of it, that's why it wasn't an option for me. My old XFS and two XFRs were the X250 though, and the materials quality in them was fantastic, especially the leather, and the full suede headlining. Comparing a base 640d GC to an XJ is even further away from being comparable though, which is what I was doing.
I've got an LCI F10 M5 now, and it took quite a bit of searching to find one with what I consider to be a nice feeling interior, and even then the quality isn't a match for the XFR it replaced, it doesn't have full leather either to get the dash as I'd like, but it was hard enough finding mine. As standard they feel like a serious step down in how it feels from a decent trim level X250.
Your F10 feels like a Bentley Continental alongside the X260 (Though the interior feel on all of them is the same so I'm not sure how it took so long to find one that was different? All you can do is add leather to the dashtop!).
I was really, really disappointed with theXF - I was chuffed to get it at first (I'd booked a C Class or similar and it was an upgrade) but living with it for 2500 miles showed it up quite badly. I don't know where they've gone wrong as they always did have a reputation for quality. They'd slapped some leather on the dash and then not bothered to do much else.
It even had un-carpeted door bins
I was really, really disappointed with theXF - I was chuffed to get it at first (I'd booked a C Class or similar and it was an upgrade) but living with it for 2500 miles showed it up quite badly. I don't know where they've gone wrong as they always did have a reputation for quality. They'd slapped some leather on the dash and then not bothered to do much else.
It even had un-carpeted door bins
My M5 has the multifunction seats, alcantara headlining and piano black trim, which is over £2k of options just for those things to improve the feel. Finding that with other options I wanted made it quite tricky, the market is flooded with sparsely optioned cars since the lease deals a few years ago. The full spec on mine is over £10k of options, which just about make it feel like the car an M5 should be IMO. All M5s came with decent leather though, which is a start I supposeYour F10 feels like a Bentley Continental alongside the X260 (Though the interior feel on all of them is the same so I'm not sure how it took so long to find one that was different? All you can do is add leather to the dashtop!).
I was really, really disappointed with theXF - I was chuffed to get it at first (I'd booked a C Class or similar and it was an upgrade) but living with it for 2500 miles showed it up quite badly. I don't know where they've gone wrong as they always did have a reputation for quality. They'd slapped some leather on the dash and then not bothered to do much else.
It even had un-carpeted door bins
I thought the Multifunction seats were standard! Shocking that they are not on such a car.
I'm really happy with my F10 (Also an LCI, but a lowley M Sport) and found the X260 did not compare favourably with it in any way bar standard equipment levels. Which for Jaguar is worrying because the F10 isn't the competition, the G30 is and it's not even a fair fight.
The XF should make the F10 feel like yesterdays news - it's box fresh and all-new, the F10 has been around for 7 years. It doesn't and this is not good.
Nobody benefits from a market where some of the competition is just sub-par, not even fanboys - a healthy market full of fantastic competing products is good for everyone.
I'm really happy with my F10 (Also an LCI, but a lowley M Sport) and found the X260 did not compare favourably with it in any way bar standard equipment levels. Which for Jaguar is worrying because the F10 isn't the competition, the G30 is and it's not even a fair fight.
The XF should make the F10 feel like yesterdays news - it's box fresh and all-new, the F10 has been around for 7 years. It doesn't and this is not good.
Nobody benefits from a market where some of the competition is just sub-par, not even fanboys - a healthy market full of fantastic competing products is good for everyone.
unless you wear polarised glasses
Haha, so true, I took mine into the main dealer telling them my HUD was broken.....
It obviously wasn't, the engineer had a good chuckle at my expense though!
The car I looked at had the main options you listed. I agree about the leather, the leather in the XJ is soft and plush feeling and the 6 less so but then it will crease less easily and I guess be harder wearing.
The 6 felt very well nailed together but there were a couple of things that felt cheap which I didn't expect or bothered me slightly. The plastic around the gear selector console felt a bit nasty, the rear arm rest has a flip open cup holder which was really nasty but as I won't be sitting in the back using it, I can deal with it. The glove compartment is rediculously small and the standard sport seats didn't seem to have lumbar controls. Other than that, I thought it was a fantastic car. The infotainment system on the BMW is orders of magnitude better than the Jag although the sound system is better in the XJ but to be fair the XJ is a more expensive car and in Portfolio spec, came with quite a bit more included kit.
My 65 plate 640 cab has sport plus and surround cams. The sound system is amazing and the cams are great as it's a deceptively large car. I find it harder to park than a Land Rover discovery which is huge. It's because it's low and long.
The polarised issue is the Same in my 640 cab too, pretty annoying as the turn instructions goes in there unless you turn it off completely. Wonder why the clocks and nav screens don't disappear, must be the orientation? Why can't they just turn it 90d lol.
My missus 218 active tourer has hud as well and suffers the same problem. Can't find a way to get the nav turns on the main display though with that.
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Nah this just isnt true anymore. That USP for Jaguars has gone, it will attempt to return though. C Class being a mini S Class came as somewhat of a suprise.
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The problem at the moment in my view is the silly Grandad Portfolio spec being the only place you can introduce the Windsor leather seats and dash topper. The auto gearbox space also poorly utilised as it saves space for the manual gearbox options.
Of course going for InControl Touch Pro which gets rid of the hard buttons either side of the 8" screen and takes you to 10" along with the TFT cluster also helps lift the interior but the rest is pretty fixed in XE land.
E Pace is far better executed - a brighter future lets hope.
Agreed, I was thinking of my X250 experience, the X260 just feels like a massive step down. The Jag forums and groups are still full of fanboys (fangrandads?) who think they're amazing though and that everything else is rubbish in comparison... I'll just carry on having whatever feels like the best to me, without blindly following any brand
I do have two BMW M cars now though 
The interior of the 640 is almost the most beautiful car interior ever designed. It's what swayed me to buy a 640d but I opted for the coupe as it's so much better looking that the GC. However, six months after getting it we find out we were expecting our boy, so the GC would have been the better choice. Still got it though 
and he loves it too! Will my next car be the GC version? Not so sure....
and he loves it too! Will my next car be the GC version? Not so sure....