Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040

Tunney said:
23 years ago, there were 10 million internet users worldwide. Now there are 3.2 billion.

Technology moves at a fast pace.
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Technology evolves quickly, people's adoption of technology isn't necessarily as quick. Sure people use the internet, but have people changed the way they work, behave and do things? The internet is just one side of a very complex "coin".
 
Look at Norway, 30% of their cars sold this year is Tesla!

To do with - no tax on electric cars, free charging parking spaces everywhere, no tax, so once you buy it, you are driving it for free.

The snag is they are paying for it through their oil sale, a big pot of money that we don't have but it shows if the government wants to make it work, they can.
 
Where can I get a pantograph or trolley pole for my Corsa?

Seriously this is going to need a massive improvement in electric technology - batteries which can hold a charge for 400 miles worth of travel and not require 10 hours to recharge. What are the boy racers going to do, fit a retro tram whine to their traction motor?!

One good thing I guess, no more replacement exhaust pipes, just worry how much a new battery pack will cost when it no longer holds a charge.

I'm assuming too the technology will be solid state batteries of some type, not acid based as the latter opens up some horrifying injuries in even a minor RTA if the pack ruptured.
 
a1ex2001 said:
If someone ever cracks cheap hydrogen generation and storage they will solve the worlds energy crisis sadly it isn't going to happen anytime soon much like nuclear fusion great in theory challenging in the real world!
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Hydrogen is not a power source, better to think of it as a battery.

You need energy to produce hydrogen if not doing it from fossil fuels in the first place.
 
Hydrogen is a pretty good battery when used with renewables though (though i'm not sure how much rare earths it uses compared to current batteries, as that is where toxicity problem is i believe), we really need to have a system that has, Production - Storage - Consumption in mind, Elon's Battery vision is a good start, but it needs to scale up or broaden out much faster.
 
By 2040 there will be under road inductive charging.

Just park outside your house in the designated spot and leave to charge no wires or cables involved.
 
Apart from Big Cities, the public transport system in this country is pants.
Can't rely on the train network as it's already overcrowded.
Bus services would have to be adapted to a 24hr economy (shift work, etc) as outside the biggest cities. they shut down overnight.
What about people in rural areas?
Also, how much do lorries, etc kick out and what is being done to offset their emissions?
 
Spudgun said:
How will someone who parks their car on the street (often some distance from their front door) be able to charge their car over night?
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robj20 said:
You can see it now all the law suites suing people after tripping over cables left across pavements.
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This would be an issue for me, all the car paring spaces of the houses are across the road i would need to run a cable.
 
It doesn't help that a lot of new houses don't even have driveways. You'll end up having to trail cables across the pavement or go and pay at a charging point a few 100ft from your house.

The public choking to death on diesel soot will be replaced with people being electrocuted when it rains :D
 
I'm struggling to see what problem this is solving.

The world and government will be vastly different in that timescale and there's no guarantee technology or opinion will be the same in that time.

I'm all for emissions targets and research into better infrastructure, but you can't just say "yeah, in twenty odd years we'll deffo have a solution and this is the reaction to that twenty odd years in advance". All it will do is cause problems now and send people barking up the wrong tree and we might not end up with the solution we wanted compared to letting things naturally progress.

It's just a daft proposal with a daft headline to benefit someone's cause today, not the future. I'm sure the next hand full of government outfits will change their mind on this before then anyway. to better suit their cause.
 
It has so many far reaching implications. Manufacturers of car service items, oil, filters. Mechanics that dont keep up are going to get left behind.
The tax income where will that come from.
 
james.miller said:
lol.
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You lol,

But we already have it in three parking spaces at work, and converted Nisan Leaf's to use them, it is current technology it works and could be rolled out whenever you wish.

Just adds about £20K and 400KG to the cars currently but 23 years of work on it will make it work far better and smaller packaging, so cheaper to add to production cars.

Nissan would like it in production cars within 10 years.
 
Nothing the government have announced has stated whether the alternative will be electric or hydrogen powered. I'm sure by 2040 there may even be an alternative that hasn't even been considered yet.

If you're talking about right now - there is no alternative. You can't readily fill a car up with hydrogen. So electric - which despite not being as well catered for as petrol, diesel or LPG, is the only way to go.
 
robj20 said:
It has so many far reaching implications. Manufacturers of car service items, oil, filters. Mechanics that dont keep up are going to get left behind.
The tax income where will that come from.
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It will totally change. Since the motors are sealed units you can't really do anything with them. If something breaks inside you have to swap the entire thing or write the car off. There won't be much need for mechanics any more, just someone who knows how to change a tyre.

Most likely we'll go back to DIYing a lot of it. But someone will be making a lot of money from replacement batteries and motors.
 
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