Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040

Deleted User 234324 · 26 Jul 2017 at 17:45

Give it 5 years before electric is readily available at an affordable cost, 10-15 years before fossil fuel cars are no longer available new. Once industry gets behind it, specially the transport sector with the imminent autonomous vehicles, adoption will sky rocket. If your a delivery driver or HGV driver your days are numbered.

Housey · 26 Jul 2017 at 18:02

Won't both me, I'll have my feet up by then, hopefully in my house on the sea front.

Dis86 · 26 Jul 2017 at 18:07

Housey said:
Won't both me, I'll have my feet up by then, hopefully in my house on the sea front.

Moving? Or global warming?

Jono8 · 26 Jul 2017 at 18:15

I'm quite up for an electric car once they become reasonably priced, can do 350-400 miles on a charge (without turning all air con/gizmos off etc) and can be quick charged to something like 50% capacity in 10 minutes at a charging station.

[TW]Fox · 26 Jul 2017 at 18:19

Jono8 said:
I'm quite up for an electric car once they become reasonably priced, can do 350-400 miles on a charge (without turning all air con/gizmos off etc) and can be quick charged to something like 50% capacity in 10 minutes at a charging station.

And by the time they do I wonder how motoring will be taxed...

I doubt we'll all be driving around paying for a charge as if it was a mobile phone in 2040..

TallPaul1878 · 26 Jul 2017 at 18:35

Edrof said:
So will this lead to a huge decline in the power wielded by dodgy Arab states or does most oil go to industry rather than transport anyway?

Yes. They will be replaced by those pesky Scandinavians and all their lovely hydro electric power.

We will be selling them antiquated jet fighters and chemical weapons for them to subdue their marauding populations.

Sweden needs to nuke itself.

topshot · 26 Jul 2017 at 18:48

They can't even get the broadband infrastructure sorted let alone the infrastructure needed for the country to move to electric cars. What about haulage, shipping and manufacturing emissions? They preach about reducing pollution yet want to use more diesel trains and build more runways, air travel should be getting taxed heavily to help pay for the infrastructure/development of hydrogen fuel cells.
How much pollution will be generated mining all the minerals used for battery manufacture as demand spikes?

RoboCod · 26 Jul 2017 at 19:21

On the charging in a street issue... Isn't over the air wireless charging going to be a thing? That would fix that issue.

On this ban though, can someone explain. Should I have an old classic petrol fuelled car stored in the garage, are they saying I'm not going to be able to wheel it out and drive it after 2040?

adolf hamster · 26 Jul 2017 at 19:26

RoboCod said:
On the charging in a street issue... Isn't over the air wireless charging going to be a thing? That would fix that issue.

On this ban though, can someone explain. Should I have an old classic petrol fuelled car stored in the garage, are they saying I'm not going to be able to wheel it out and drive it after 2040?

i think it's very specifically only new manufactured vehicles, so you'd still be able to use it in the same way many classic cars are still perfectly legal to drive even if you tried to build a new one it wouldn't come close to conforming to things like emissions/safety standards.

V F · 26 Jul 2017 at 19:42

topshot said:
They can't even get the broadband infrastructure sorted let alone the infrastructure needed for the country to move to electric cars. What about haulage, shipping and manufacturing emissions? They preach about reducing pollution yet want to use more diesel trains and build more runways, air travel should be getting taxed heavily to help pay for the infrastructure/development of hydrogen fuel cells.
How much pollution will be generated mining all the minerals used for battery manufacture as demand spikes?

Nasher · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:00

MadMossy said:
Give it 5 years before electric is readily available at an affordable cost, 10-15 years before fossil fuel cars are no longer available new. Once industry gets behind it, specially the transport sector with the imminent autonomous vehicles, adoption will sky rocket. If your a delivery driver or HGV driver your days are numbered.

Not sure about that. Maybe for a while until people realise they can force an automated van to stop and clean out the contents with practically no chance of being caught. Unlike a human driver, they won't just put their foot down when things look ugly.

Vertigo · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:04

robj20 said:
Electric has a long way to go before i will touch one. I would want around 600 miles on a charge and that includes with the heater and gadgets on.

Leigh said:
Its not the cars that are the problem, its the supporting infrastructure. Heard Quentin Wilson on the radio this morning saying similar and talking of several trillions of pounds investment required to make this work.

The range and infrastructure problems need to be solved simultaneously. A national charging infrastructure isn't practical, it would cost an absolutely fortune and who's going to pay for it? However if you can solve the range issue then it's unnecessary and all you need is charging facilities at major endpoints like airports, stations, hotels and the like.

Jonnycoupe · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:14

So it's the same as Volvo story it seems. Electrification of powertrains rather than full electric cars only. I.e. Hybrids.

Nasher · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:19

I think we need mass production carbon fibre to come along with it really (I read we aren't that far off). That would help range a lot through weight reduction.

But..all the great engines that are going to die off with this. No more v8, v12, straight 6, boxer engine etc. Just generic and characterless motors which make no noise. Driving a manual will be a lost art as well

Jonnycoupe · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:30

That's what BMW did to reduce the i3 battery size and hence cost for similar range. Problem is the carbon has cost a lot to develop and has recycling concerns.

a1ex2001 · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:47

adolf hamster said:
i think it's very specifically only new manufactured vehicles, so you'd still be able to use it in the same way many classic cars are still perfectly legal to drive even if you tried to build a new one it wouldn't come close to conforming to things like emissions/safety standards.

classic cars will inevitably be restricted if the driverless revolution kicks off as anticipated. It will start with a motorway ban to keep traffic flow snd saftey levels high and a major urban centre van to reduce air pollution.

Nasher · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:50

a1ex2001 said:
classic cars will inevitably be restricted if the driverless revolution kicks off as anticipated. It will start with a motorway ban to keep traffic flow snd saftey levels high and a major urban centre van to reduce air pollution.

If that happens I'll still go for a blast, even if it's illegal

adolf hamster · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:56

a1ex2001 said:
classic cars will inevitably be restricted if the driverless revolution kicks off as anticipated. It will start with a motorway ban to keep traffic flow snd saftey levels high and a major urban centre van to reduce air pollution.

i'm not so sure, i'd say more likely the restriction will come in the form of increasing petrol prices making it ever more impractical to use regularly.

kinda for example with big military vehicles, whilst you legally could use one as a daily driver the fuel cost is just prohibitive, same thing will happen with cars.

a1ex2001 · 26 Jul 2017 at 20:59

adolf hamster said:
i'm not so sure, i'd say more likely the restriction will come in the form of increasing petrol prices making it ever more impractical to use regularly.

kinda for example with big military vehicles, whilst you legally could use one as a daily driver the fuel cost is just prohibitive, same thing will happen with cars.

The city centre thing will come petrol/diesel vehicles will be banned from central London within a decade and if automation is to really work you can't have manual cars sliding the system down do I would say the motorway ban is inevitable!

Orionaut · 26 Jul 2017 at 21:01

Nasher said:
I think we need mass production carbon fibre to come along with it really (I read we aren't that far off). That would help range a lot through weight reduction.

But..all the great engines that are going to die off with this. No more v8, v12, straight 6, boxer engine etc. Just generic and characterless motors which make no noise. Driving a manual will be a lost art as well

It will be like the EV's in Demolition Man or "Johnny-cab" in Total recall!

It will, of course, also be yet another part of a total "Subscription-world" socioty.

(Which we are already a long way towards. IE Nobody owns anything, everything is on contract/subscription. Great if you are one of the elite with a guaranteed monthly income. Pretty damn crap if you are not. And if you lose your income, your life will end at the end of the current month and you will be out on the street with absolutely nothing to your name. Is this really the world that millennials look forward to?? :confused:

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