Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040

[Jean-F]

I understand your position, after-all I'm sure some people must think a Fray Bentos pie is luxurious.

Perhaps some people do, if the height of their culinary experience is Maccy D's, or Wetherspoons, I could understand a Fray Bentos pie seeming luxurious to them.
Fortunately, having always been the kind of guy who's not too idle or afraid to go out and earn a few quid if the opportunity presents itself, I'm more accustomed to dining at Le Pont de la Tour, or Oblix at The Shard, so meat pies never figured highly on my list of must-haves.
Neither have Ford Cortinas, Sierras, nor Vauxhall Corsa or Insignias.

 

[chroniclard]

Cant beat a good meat pie, not Fray Bentos.

 

[Usher]

In the next few years technology will evolve and we will see much smaller battery packs that can be made in cassette style so you can pull into a service station and swap it for a fully charged one, a spare could be carried in the boot and if you live in a flat you slide it out and take it home to charge it

 

[Tee Hee Johnson]

In the next few years technology will evolve and we will see much smaller battery packs that can be made in cassette style so you can pull into a service station and swap it for a fully charged one, a spare could be carried in the boot and if you live in a flat you slide it out and take it home to charge it

Hasn't that been said for years? Doesn't seem to have materialized yet.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

The BMW has one pedal drive - so yes, if you let go of the pedal, it will regen at full power, which feels like braking. I don't know the car well enough, but you might be able to adjust that.

On my leaf, I have two mode selectable on the 'gearstick'. D mode and B mode. In B mode, releasing the accelerator applies full regen - which is much stronger than normal engine braking. D mode only regens at equivalent to what you'd experience releasing the accelerator on an ICE.

So, basically - you can adjust it to how you prefer to drive - what kind of driving you're doing.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

In the next few years technology will evolve and we will see much smaller battery packs that can be made in cassette style so you can pull into a service station and swap it for a fully charged one, a spare could be carried in the boot and if you live in a flat you slide it out and take it home to charge it

I doubt it.

More likely is cars that can do ever increasing ranges for even shorter charge period. You can already do 200 miles on a 30 minute charge - and that's only based on a few years of advancements in electric cars. It won't be that long until the range will be ~400 on a single charge. How far do you really have to go before you need to eat / drink / stretch your legs! When I charge, I'm usually longer myself (going to the loo, getting something to eat etc) than the car takes to charge.

 

[adolf hamster]

I doubt it.

More likely is cars that can do ever increasing ranges for even shorter charge period. You can already do 200 miles on a 30 minute charge - and that's only based on a few years of advancements in electric cars. It won't be that long until the range will be ~400 on a single charge. How far do you really have to go before you need to eat / drink / stretch your legs! When I charge, I'm usually longer myself (going to the loo, getting something to eat etc) than the car takes to charge.

the real advancement will be to do this without sacrificing the overall longevity of the battery, and extending that longevity.

after all even with cost-downs the battery is going to be a significant chunk of the cars overall value, equivalent to the engine really, and people won't want to put up with effectively an engine change (in terms of cost) with less milage than you'd expect out of IC. of course quick change batteries would solve this although that comes with its own problems.

if we really care about the environmental cost we need to be able to either recycle, or repair vehicles and use them for much longer periods of time, especially with electric only where the argument that a newer model will be more emission efficient doesn't affect it.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Longevity of the battery is an issue, recently did a 200~ mile trip in a Model S and was disappointed that to get the full range you need to force the car to charge past 90% capacity, hopefully such shortcomings can be engineered out in the future.

 

[chaparral]

So this ban going include all them small car sized vans

If not are they going be petrol or diesel..

 

[adolf hamster]

So this ban going include all them small car sized vans

If not are they going be petrol or diesel..

or agricultural vehicles? fit a pto to a car and call it a "tractor" problem solved

 

[chaparral]

or agricultural vehicles? fit a pto to a car and call it a "tractor" problem solved

Just going be interesting how there going work out what banned and what not...

I.E ford fiesta is banned ,
But a ford fiesta diesel/petrol van is not..

 

[adolf hamster]

Just going be interesting how there going work out what banned and what not...

I.E ford fiesta is banned ,
But a ford fiesta diesel/petrol van is not..

yeah, there'll likely be a transitional period of loophole exploitation, and ofc people panic buying ic cars before the deadline.

then the grid will get overloaded and they'll have to repeal it whilst opening the floodgates for the chinese to pop by and build a few nuclear power stations.

 

[TacticalFish]

I can see where they're coming from, but I think it's a bit too far. At least allow Hybrids for a while, then fully switch to electric. With the rate electric tech has come on Hybrid should be amazingly clean.

That, or at least allow liquid methane propulsion systems.

Oh and, if vans aren't included, that's me buying a Transit ST

 

[adolf hamster]

I can see where they're coming from, but I think it's a bit too far. At least allow Hybrids for a while, then fully switch to electric. With the rate electric tech has come on Hybrid should be amazingly clean.

i think the answer lies in range extenders, there's plenty of argument in this thread for the notion that people don't "need" more than 40 mile ranges because for the vast majority that's commuting distance.

if that's the case then it could easily be argued that a range extender is for all practical purposes emissions free for the majority of people's normal use. however, and this is the key difference is that for the occasion or people who do need to drive for long periods without easy access for charging then it doesn't suffer the issues that a fully electric or hydrogen vehicle has- charging times/lack of infrastructure.

it would at least be a decent stop gap between battery/hydrogen tech maturing to the level where it's a more realistic alternative.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I can see where they're coming from, but I think it's a bit too far. At least allow Hybrids for a while, then fully switch to electric.

It is 2040! That's quite a way off. A huge proportion of cars will already be some form of hybrid well before that.

 

[TacticalFish]

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I agree, range is the primary concern here. Along with charging times, which as already noted are very short already. I for one will miss exhaust noise, just won't be the same coming from a speaker.

It is 2040! That's quite a way off. A huge proportion of cars will already be some form of hybrid well before that.

Again, I think you're very likely to be proved right there.

To be honest, my main concern will be getting a 'quick' electric or hybrid car for a similar price that you can today.

 

[V F]

2040 is a frightening thought.

 

[adolf hamster]

I agree, range is the primary concern here. Along with charging times, which as already noted are very short already. I for one will miss exhaust noise, just won't be the same coming from a speaker.

indeed, maybe it's just a remnant of my days in rc, but i've always felt electric power is a bit soul-less.

there's something endearing about an engine that an electric motor just doesn't do for me.

 

[Nasher]

To be honest, my main concern will be getting a 'quick' electric or hybrid car for a similar price that you can today.

They should be cheaper eventually. A huge chunk of the cost is the batteries at the moment. The rest of the stuff is mostly cheaper, an electric motor is a lot simpler than an engine with a lot less parts and supporting systems.

You can covert an ICE car in to an EV as well. Maybe that will be a thing nearer the time for people who want to keep running their classics.

 

[Telecaster]

What about load carrying vehicles etc, surely the energy required to run them full electric isn't viable, even in 2040? Aren't modern HGVs already massively uneconomical, a fully loaded artic is into single figures, something like 4-6mpg, how does that translate to electric, they'd need another trailer just for the batteries.