Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040

Bickaxe said:
Depends on the age of the vehicle. Newer models hit around 11mpg when pulling 26t over 300 miles (I used to compile fuel figures for a transport company hauling steel, bricks etc..)
Your standard supermarket chauffeur will be better as they update their fleet and the load is lighter.

Don't know if its been mentioned but they can always use other fuels (i think it was covered in the report) but no idea on economy for alternative fuels.
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Fully loaded 44T artic is doing about 8-9mpg over a trip (full out, empty back) just the fully loaded trip is around 4mpg. I'd like to see the battery that could do that.
 
Telecaster said:
Fully loaded 44T artic is doing about 8-9mpg over a trip (full out, empty back) just the fully loaded trip is around 4mpg. I'd like to see the battery that could do that.
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Well it a appears to be happening, sept 28th is when Tesla unvaile their long distance heavy class (expected to be class 8) truck.
 
Add a ballpark figure, how much would it cost to fully charge a car?

My worry is charging at home for those of us without a drive. Or garage.
 
The biggest problems for electric cars are going to be societal rather than technical I think. We can develop fantastic batteries, better range, self driving, manual driving etc. but what will drive or hamper uptake are the demands of society around us.

Take the street I grew up on, 14 houses on a little cul de sac, each house with a driveway big enough for one car. When it was all built in the 30s, this was fine. In 2017, it now has 30 cars for those 14 houses, with families that have children who can't afford to move out, husband and wife both needing a car each. How are they going to cope with home charging? Ignore the sheer power demand to that street but there would be cables trailing the pavements all over the place. This is hardly an isolated example anywhere bigger than a village. Huge numbers of people can't even guarantee being able to park near their house, they'd have to rely on charging out and about.

We need a serious reevaluation of the way we live and work before an electric only world will be possible for everyone. Unless they can develop batteries that'll take a 400 mile range charge in a couple of minutes, effectively replicating the refuelling process we have now, it's going to take longer than 2040 to properly transition I reckon.
 
Good news!

More petrol for those of us that actually like cars!

The rest of the population that see cars just as transportation or a tool can drive the electric/hyrodgen development forwards :-)
 
Woden said:
Add a ballpark figure, how much would it cost to fully charge a car.
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A Tesla with a 32.33 KW/h long range battery would cost £1.74 to charge overnight on my energy plan.
 
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Telecaster said:
about load carrying vehicles etc, surely the energy required to run them full electric isn't viable, even in 2040? Aren't modern HGVs already massively uneconomical, a fully loaded artic is into single figures, something like 4-6mpg, how does that translate to electric, they'd need another trailer
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Orionaut said:
Just for comparative purposes. The Batteries used in the Prius are around 40Whr/Kg and TNT is just over 1KWhr/Kg.
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Is that true? Even my ebike is hitting 250 Whr/kg.
 
I must admit that I initially heard the news as meaning all cars had to be full electric after 2040 which would have represented a big shift. All cars having some form of hybrid element makes it a much smaller step and for most manufacturers you could cut that deadline by 10 years and they wouldn't be breaking too much of a sweat. Especially so if 48V mild hybrids are permitted after 2040.

I was almost tempted to buy an electric car today when I saw a Zoe being listed for a good price then found out that it was a battery owned car making it way under priced. Still half tempted to call up about it as it would probably be depreciation free for a couple of years!
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Long range? Tesla don't even make a battery that small let alone use /h units in the capacity.
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My fault!

So, the Model S biggest battery is 100 kWh, so that's £5.39 to charge then.
 
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