Charlie Gard
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Thought the same when I saw that headline.
Asked my wife, she thought the same.
The Sun talking absolute ******** as usual.
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The Sun is still peddling its anti-expert agenda, isn't it? No real surprise that HES WIV DA ANGLES NOW is the route they're choosing.
Wow, that Sun front page is a trifecta of clickbait populist journalism. Makes me feel sick.
The only people who need to learn lessons are Charlie's parents.
The only people who need to learn lessons are Charlie's parents.
That certainly would have been the easy, unethical path to take.
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Send them on a fact finding rip to North Korea, perhaps they will find employment there. Antiaircraft testers or some such.
I know you are keen to defend Die with Dignity™ and I know you have the biggest stethoscope on the forum BUT this is getting silly now. You invent that I said they are literally drowning in their own secretions (not sounds like) ((to speedfreaks delight he can use his word of the day to my clarification)) Then you claim being a doctor for 8 years that you never seen people dying as I describe (terminal secretions and cheyenne) Now in latest reply you say people do know about it (even though you never seen it in 8 years?) Medication is given to make it seem peaceful almost like a Hollywood movie, plus Die with Dignity™ can claim look how peaceful that looked. Whereas the patient is under palliative sedation (but we know our Latin and palliative means to hide under a cloak of illusion) Midazolam to stop the body's effort to breath, which I know personally is an absolutely horrible experience when you want to breath but can't.
I had to go through something similar last year, some of you may remember i made a thread about my daughter who had a brain tumor at just 8 weeks old. After the operation she started having seizures and the specialists told us they could keep her alive, but her quality of life if she did pull through would have been minimal, so the decision was made to allow her to pass away. Looking back i would make that same decision again every time...keeping her alive for our own sake, just would not have been right, and would have been selfish in a way.
I'm glad they were "allowed" to take Charlie to a hospice for his last day instead of being in the hospital, again this is something we did and made those final hours so much more personal being able to spend time with our daughter without all the machines and tubes and being confined to 1 room.
I'm glad they were "allowed" to take Charlie to a hospice for his last day instead of being in the hospital, again this is something we did and made those final hours so much more personal being able to spend time with our daughter without all the machines and tubes and being confined to 1 room.
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Frankly, I think this is as good a place as any to end the thread.
I likely won't be commenting any further.
That's an awful decision you had to make, and I'd hope in the same situation I'd make the same decision as you.
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You seem very coy about answering the simple question about the source of your insight.
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Do you actually have any experience of palliative care? You make these long semi-educated posts but I don't really get what you're advocating or why you think you know what you're talking about. Would you rather dying was done without sedation? Or a crusade to let us know dying isn't a nice experience?
Midazolam isn't given to stop breathing or gasping. It's main use is to stop terminal anxiety and the feeing of breathlessness in the hours before dying. Sign me up for a slug of it when I'm on my way out.
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I think this threads run its course and hopefully one of the mods will close it.
Advocating... correctly answering someone's post how someone dies without suffering (much better than the only other one word reply of just drugs), it wont be a nice experience as you said, as far as I can tell from your posts you seen the uglier side when the palliative cloak comes off. And then we get priest with hysteria and we have gone on a spirographic journey of circles and mountains out of mole hills as per usual on GD.
The 'convenient' side effect of Midazolam includes a decrease in efforts for the patient to breathe.
P.S. I'm pretty chuffed a doctor of 7 years says my posts are semi-educated
The 'convenient' side effect of Midazolam includes a decrease in efforts for the patient to breathe.
P.S. I'm pretty chuffed a doctor of 7 years says my posts are semi-educated
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The sun's headline is ridiculous:
In what way was Charlie Gard a hero? The whole thing is tragic.
Wat?
To be honest, they should be made to pay the legal costs of GOSH. Why should GOSH and ultimately the taxpayer fund their ridiculous legal proceedings.
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