No more than you are running away from the factsR
Running away from other benchmarks?
The 1700 is a better all around cpu. End of. -
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On the fence, Ryzen 1700, or i7 7700k, not overclocking
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The 1700 is a better all around cpu. End of. 
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I don't know where you got those screens from, but this seems to disagree:-
He's using a linpack program which doesn't recognise that Ryzen has AVX instructions.
Settings also favour the Intel in the two screenshots.
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No more than you are running away from the facts
Yep the op asked for an all round cpu as he is doing more than just gaming and in this regard the 1700 seems to fit the bill more. It's a great all rounder because of the extra cores.
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No more than you are running away from the facts
If Cinebench multi-thread is the typical use case (with the same degree of optimisation), then yes.
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If it doesn't recognise Ryzen's AVX instruction sets then the temperature of Ryzen would have been really really bad, because it would have been even hotter when running AVX.
So newer well optimised programs work better on the 1700. Got it.
The OP is apparently keeping the system for up to 7 years.
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Just as well none of us are trying to build a super computer then
It doesn't really matter. The OP doesn't build his rig to specifically only run Cinebench all day. He might run programs optimised for Intel, who knows?
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No, he's using his machine for productivity and gaming and wants his system to have some longevity, so Ryzen is quite clearly the smart choice.
Which is what most of us have been saying in this thread however for some obtuse reason you seem to be arguing against it.
In that screenshot someone has gone out of there way to hide the Tdie temperature (the true temperature for X chips). That temp has a 20C offset so you have to remove 20C from it to get the Tdie temp.
Thank you so we are finally in agreement that overall with everything taken into consideration the 1700 is currently the better choice.
As others have already stated 8 pages ago the only other thing to take into consideration is whether it's worth waiting for coffee lake.
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You are twisting my posts again
I never made these to have you discard the "if" conditions lol
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Is this still going on 
I am enjoying voidshatters "interesting" claims not backed up by his own "evidence"
I am enjoying voidshatters "interesting" claims not backed up by his own "evidence"
No you are refusing to see what is in front of you. Explained over and over again by many peopleYou are twisting my posts again
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You are twisting my posts again
You are also not listening to the op. He said he's not wanting to overclock yet you are pushing 5.2ghz de-lidded performance. He is looking for a good all rounder for gaming and work needs. You have to ask yourself why Ryzen is gaining AMD share and it's not because it's the fastest gaming chip. They are gaining share because they are offering 8 cores to intel's 4 at a similar price which offers future proofing and in a lot of work situations makes good sense. Would it surprise you to see the 1700 being faster in future games as more threading becomes involved. Does it surprise you that 30% slower cores are slower yet when doubled are faster. Ryzen 1700 makes a lot of sense when you really do come down from that Intel high horse and to the majority the 1700 makes more sense for the op.
Don't worry though i am counting on Intel hitting back with something special around the time Ryzen+ comes along and we can all be happy as upgrades will be upgrades again hopefully.
Just for the record i have never used an AMD Cpu in my life as every time i bought Intel made sense. This time Ryzen makes sense as threading is starting to become the norm so more cores/threads which leads to lower clock's but more performance is the way forward. Even Intels big hitters are faster for work yet mainly slower for games and they were charging £1000 for a 6900. They must be wrong as well as the 6900 was £1000 and was not aimed a gamers yet Ryzen 8 cores are far cheaper and perform around the same.
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Doesn't look like so for gaming
Did i say they were gaining share for gaming i said they were gaining share which they are. The op is not just a gamer though end of story. Ohh and give it some more time. The steam hardware survey has not asked me for my spec in a long time. It's a donald duck survey that randomly asks people what they have. With Ryzen coming out a short time ago it will take to make a decent here.
Here take a look and the full line up is still not around.
http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/processor-market-heats-up-as-amd-makes-record-share-gain/039474
I doubt they can ever challenge Intel for real dominance but Ryzen is good and the market is buying.
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Is this still going on
I am enjoying voidshatters "interesting" claims not backed up by his own "evidence"
I tuned out yesterday. I don't know why people are continuing to engage with a troll. Did their parents teach them never to feed the trolls?
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There is always hope in this world that you can educate people to show that things are not as black and white as they seem.