Yea and you'll never be able to sell it with shot batteries because it will cost more than the car is worth to get more, so it will end up being scrapped. So much for being green :/
Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040
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Yea and you'll never be able to sell it with shot batteries because it will cost more than the car is worth to get more, so it will end up being scrapped. So much for being green :/
If it's a decade old and has done a lot of miles it will be scrapped anyway regardless of if it is serviceable or not because that's the way the people see cars in this country. It also still works and gets MPG in the range that it would have when new.
How many miles has it done/was it a taxi?
What does this mean for car companies like Ferrari? I'm not sure i can imagine an all electric Ferrari, it just doesn't feel right..
I think that Ferrari could make it feel right. Performance wouldn't be a problem. It wouldn't sound right, though.
I think 2040 is optimistic. I also think that a government making vague noises about what will happen 23 years from now is close to meaningless and that those two things fit together. There needs to be big changes in technology and infrastructure, not vague noises about things too far in the future for the current government to pay much attention to.
I also think electric cars won't be any cheaper overall regardless of any possible increases in technology, since most of the cost of ICE fuel is tax and that tax will still be taken one way or another. Add the cost of the infrastructure changes required for generation, storage, distribution and manufacturing, plus the cost of development. I think we'll get less freedom and either the same or higher financial cost.
I know lol, this whole thread is filled with people missing the point. By 2040 I believe by default most cars will be hybrid.
The way it is going, it looks like it will be rare for a newly developed car in 2025 to not be a hybrid.
Probably and it makes perfect sense. Those under 50 mile trips can be done on electricity other longer trips done on petrol/diesel or in a case of performance cars, electric for city and petrol for power runs.
Makes perfect sense and it's best of both worlds.
I agree, and a huge number of people wont travel to work by then as well, many will be working from home if the jobs still exist.
Cant beat a bit of government spin.
The fleet average targets are dropping from 120g/km to 95 in 2020. You are going to need mass hybrid adoption for that, 20 years earlier than the government are saying (2020 is very similar to what Volvo said)
The fleet average targets are dropping from 120g/km to 95 in 2020. You are going to need mass hybrid adoption for that, 20 years earlier than the government are saying (2020 is very similar to what Volvo said)
Yep many of us have said that in this thread.
It's one of those media announcements which make people happy, but to reach that target they have to do zero. By 2040 I predict even buying a hybrid will be extremely hard. Laws of exponential growth.
Bit like Frances ban on oil exploration license in mainland France, you have to wonder how many licenses where given out last year, I'm guessing zero or close to it. Even shale extraction has been known about for so long, surly everyone knows where the deposits are.
It's one of those media announcements which make people happy, but to reach that target they have to do zero. By 2040 I predict even buying a hybrid will be extremely hard. Laws of exponential growth.
Bit like Frances ban on oil exploration license in mainland France, you have to wonder how many licenses where given out last year, I'm guessing zero or close to it. Even shale extraction has been known about for so long, surly everyone knows where the deposits are.
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That's 2 and a half years away.
You think buying a hybrid in just over 2 years time will be extremely hard?
Where does all this stuff come from?
Why? All the OEM strategies and oil company insights say EV will peak at 10% in 2050. PHEV is the future, its much easier to put a small engine with a moderate battery than a huge battery and deal with the associated problems(range etc). Petrol and diesel is the ideal battery - it storeds sunlight from years ago, fills incredible quick, universally fits any car and is very low mass/ energy. The only issue is the tailpipe emissions in cities - this is something PHEV will fix.
I'm sure your fanboism will argue against this however this is how the big players see it today rather than Ironman, remind me when you are buying a brand new EV to enable you to make a shift in car purchase behaviour rather than waiting for a cheap second hand. Dont tell me about Norway either, end of 2016 the EV subsidy ended hence the rush to buy
My point is that people who buy bran new cars are the ones who drive the car parc development...
This will be one of those things that people forget about until about 4 years before it's due to take place. For me, it's the worst possible thing. The last true great cars will be the ones you can buy now, or within the next 7 to 10 years and companies like Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Mustang, who all have an avid thriving following for people who like a car to have soul and passion, will become no different to Kia or Hyundai and could well cease to exist.
That is why this is bad. If it's hybrids, then that's OK.
That is why this is bad. If it's hybrids, then that's OK.
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I'm pretty sure many would argue that the last "great" cars with passion and soul were in the 60s and 70, the E Type, original Mustangs and Cobras etc.
Alternatively 5-10 years ago with the last NA engines in supercars etc.
I'm sure in 50 years time people will be saying the same about some electric cars.
Alternatively 5-10 years ago with the last NA engines in supercars etc.
I'm sure in 50 years time people will be saying the same about some electric cars.
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i guess it depends on your era as to what you classify as the criteria for greatness that by its loss marks the end of an era.
i think i'd say 80's and the beginning of the slow unstoppable growth of the turbocharger to the stage where there are few bastions of n/a left. theres just a lot more style to the 80's cars that seems to have waned at about the same rate as the turbocharger waxed.
There are many supercars you can buy with an NA engine. Audi R8 V10, Lamborghini Hurracan, Lamborghini Aventador, Porsche 911 GT3 RS, Ferrari F12, Aston Vanquish S.
