Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[harney]

Got around to looking at it - its something I've encountered before actually (and really shouldn't happen) and usually check for but as this was just a build for **** and giggles with spare parts I was being a bit blasé. I used the case screws instead of the ones that came with the PSU for mounting it and they were a few mm longer and one made contact with the PCB inside :s dunno why it worked for about 2 minutes before the short had an effect.

Interesting good to know ..

So you shorted to earth which will have hit everything else in the build is everything else still working ?

 

[Rroff]

Interesting good to know ..

So you shorted to earth which will have hit everything else in the build is everything else still working ?

Not sure on that yet - was wondering. I kind of assumed it was something like that as the monitor on the same power strip blinked off and back on again as well.

 

[TNA]

Is this really a Freesync 2 monitor with HDR and 144hz with LFC so full range? If so it could be interesting. Not quite 4K, but I would consider going back to 1440p if the monitor is very good. At least Vega 56 would be more than good enough to drive it

 

[B12B6]

Want to see how Vega does on this engine

Wow, absolutely amazing. Hopefully HBCC can bring something like that one step closer to gamers.

 

[opethdisciple]

Is this really a Freesync 2 monitor with HDR and 144hz with LFC so full range? If so it could be interesting. Not quite 4K, but I would consider going back to 1440p if the monitor is very good. At least Vega 56 would be more than good enough to drive it

The monitor is nice but for me, the stand makes it a no go. Way to big and I wouldn't have anywhere for mouse and keyboard.

 

[Rroff]

Wow, absolutely amazing. Hopefully HBCC can bring something like that one step closer to gamers.

As much as anything the problem is the reluctance for game developers to innovate and/or producers/publishers to fund it :s - RAGE showed a glimpse of what is potentially possible with streaming/tiled resources and that was with much older hardware now and that was held back by considerations for compatibility with even older hardware.

 

[WeSbO]

I bet you are referring to me, and righfuly so. A 1645 clocked FuryX could have been miles faster than the 1645 clocked Vega.
And some times I don't get AMD. They do not do the obvious (sell a 14nm Fiji with higher speeds and 8GB HBM1), but just re-invent the wheel (HBM2, reliance on devs to use the hidden grunt power etc)......

They did (well except the HBM1 part), Well sort of anyway. Fiji couldn't attain Vega clocks on a node shrink, it wasn't possible, now whether that is due to architecture or GloFo or both we don't know. They had to add a lot of transistors to Vega die for it to be able to clock as high as it clocks, hence making the die bigger than a Fiji 14nm would have been.
But Vega does seem to be in essence a glorified node shrink, and they knew what clock speeds they needed to match 1080/1080ti, because the GCN arch (and this is a GCN arch not a ground up new one) needs more Tflops to match a lower Tflop Nvidia card, that's why they knew it was a "dud" way before they even started production.

 

[TNA]

The monitor is nice but for me, the stand makes it a no go. Way to big and I wouldn't have anywhere for mouse and keyboard.

Will have to wait and see some proper reviews. If they are very good, this monitor could be the first to convince me to drop a resolution. I am not bothered about the stand, I have the space. I would be set for 2-3 years with that monitor until the OLED 4K stuff shows up at decent prices.

 

[Panos]

TDP is heat right, this Vega isnt going to run that cool apparently. I will be making some kind of CAI like they use on turbos if its really going to help performance/noise I'll have the motivation to do that. I think Vega is probably an ok stepping stone to Navi, dont really want to go liquid etc
If they do develop all the features and the HBCC works I can see people keeping them for years not just two

Power consumption does matter but maybe not as much as depreciation and actual performance

Want to see how Vega does on this engine

That engine graphics arent that different than the real rendering Unity was showcasing with the FuryX

 

[D.P.]

LOL, oh come on D.P.

Nvidia saved us from AMD's dirty marketing tricks by unlocking pro optimisations, mysteriously waiting until Vega was released before doing so(nearly a full year after Titan XP was released)

What would we do without Nvidia to save us from the Vile AMD and their cunning marketing.

Where did I say it was a mysterious wit, quite th optise I explicitly said it was not a coincidence.

AMD was incorrectly using the TitanXP as benchmark for the VEga FE in pro-software.

Nvidia made a change so now reviewers can do apples to apples comparisons if AMD continues to try and shove that line down our throat.

If AMD compared the Vega FE to a quadro card then its liekly Nvidia wouldn't have to circumvent the lopsided reviews

 

[D.P.]

D.P. is an alleged "fan of technology" but just about everything he posts has an anti amd spin to it while "bigging up" Nvidia where ever possible. Got tiring years ago.

AS I said, only ebcause this forum is massively AMD biased does someone that is relatively neutral stand out.



I wont lie, I like Nvidia. I like their support for Linux, their support, for OpenGL, CUDA is fantastic, their support for machine learning, HPC, is absolutely excellent. their API's are well documented, easy to use, well supported and intelligently coded. AMD is very much a mixed bag but I have nothing against them at all, just against people who think AMD can do no wrong and that Nvidia kills puppies.

 

[B12B6]

As much as anything the problem is the reluctance for game developers to innovate and/or producers/publishers to fund it :s - RAGE showed a glimpse of what is potentially possible with streaming/tiled resources and that was with much older hardware now and that was held back by considerations for compatibility with even older hardware.

Didnt even remember RAGE did that, pretty interesting reading. https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1588434/
One would guess there would be no problems with todays SSD to be used for streaming but then again textures have been getting bigger and bigger and consoled still dont have SSD. Taking advatage of bigger textures also ofcourse needs more polygons to show that object and that means more work. The smartest thing still propably is loading them near gpu with low latency. It would bee interesting to see if there is test out there with different metods. Using big textures and becoming nearer to photorealism is great, but the reality is you dont have to have basicly nothing in something like forest scene to bring GTX 1070 to single digit fps.

 

[Howling]

AS I said, only ebcause this forum is massively AMD biased does someone that is relatively neutral stand out.

You're less neutral than Flopper, if such a thing were possible.

 

[Panos]

They did (well except the HBM1 part), Well sort of anyway. Fiji couldn't attain Vega clocks on a node shrink, it wasn't possible, now whether that is due to architecture or GloFo or both we don't know. They had to add a lot of transistors to Vega die for it to be able to clock as high as it clocks, hence making the die bigger than a Fiji 14nm would have been.
But Vega does seem to be in essence a glorified node shrink, and they knew what clock speeds they needed to match 1080/1080ti, because the GCN arch (and this is a GCN arch not a ground up new one) needs more Tflops to match a lower Tflop Nvidia card, that's why they knew it was a "dud" way before they even started production.

AMD Vega is 60% higher clocked, almost twice the chip size, for 20% the performance at 2560x1440 over the FuryX. (AMD presentation slides not mine).
And that difference goes south, when compared to custom watercooled furyX with +96mv at 1237 clock. But is diminishing returns since at +48mv can do 1190/600 with stock AIO.

Adding transistors to make it burn more power doing nothing, seems false economy. They could have added transistors to the Polaris and call it a day, because is far more efficient GPU.

Yes I agree, there is huge potential on the computing side of the Vega 64. Given the exactly the same GPU in the form of Vega FE is beating the TXp we know what is capable for.
But to utilise that for gaming, it requires a lot of effort. However we have what we have atm. :/

I will buy mine, because want to put my hands on it, and Nvidia isn't an option for multiple reasons that do not have to do with performance.
(GPU passthrough on VM, moral ground, Ryzen CPU, Freesync monitor, bday shoon and want to sleep at night with clear conscience).

 

[wildest_jjk]

I will buy mine, because want to put my hands on it, and Nvidia isn't an option for multiple reasons that do not have to do with performance.
(GPU passthrough on VM, moral ground, Ryzen CPU, Freesync monitor, bday shoon and want to sleep at night with clear conscience).

Lol

 

[wildest_jjk]

Is the awful Samsung monitor that has already been announced the only monitor they will be offering discount on as part of the Radeon Pack? Or has anyone heard anything else?

Thanks

 

[Panos]

Is the awful Samsung monitor that has already been announced the only monitor they will be offering discount on as part of the Radeon Pack? Or has anyone heard anything else?

Thanks

The monitor isn't that bad, assuming you can keep up above 48fps
Nah the offer ain't worth. There are far better monitors coming with Freesync 2, albeit unknown pricing. (hopefully like the ridiculous $1400 4K 144hz 27" Gsync ones)

 

[nashathedog]

I do agree however I would say the 980ti, when overclocked well can hang with a 1080. Thats pretty solid for a 2/3 year old card.

The 980ti with a good overclock is only a little faster than a 1070 with a good overclock, This gen Nvidia made a point of making sure the -70 card couldn't get close to the -80 card as it did with Maxwell, Reviews talked about it around the release and said Nvidia did it because the 970 bit into 980 sales due to people overclocking the 970 and getting around the same performance as a 980.

 

[Zeed]

I died

 

[Zeed]

The 980ti with a good overclock is only a little faster than a 1070 with a good overclock, This gen Nvidia made a point of making sure the -70 card couldn't get close to the -80 card as it did with Maxwell, Reviews talked about it around the release and said Nvidia did it because the 970 bit into 980 sales due to people overclocking the 970 and getting around the same performance as a 980.

SCORE18 363 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti(1x) and Intel Core i7-5820K Processor
Graphics Score 21 335 Physics Score 17 912 Combined Score 9 150

That's on my TI on my x99 platform