Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[maonayze]

I agree in that you've stated the case for existing free sync owners but to actually go out and buy one now and be stuck with vega performance would be madness imo.

So it's madness to go out and buy a freesync monitor and a Vega card but not to go out and buy a 1080 and a G-Sync monitor....Hmmmmm strange logic to have if you are on a tighter budget. You would save on the monitor (£100 + depending on the Resolution/Size etc..most likely £200+ if going big) and you would still get the same experience (I think this is what AMD are saying with their current stance). Where is the madness in that?

Okay, you could go out and buy a 1080Ti...but then you would be spending another few hundred, which is okay if you have that kind of money. Anyone can buy speed if money is no object. You have to remember that AMD and Nvidia users look at things from different perspectives. Nvidia = I must have the fastest at whatever cost and I will be happy, whereas AMD = Price/Performance or Value for money brigade.

I am always going to be a Value for money guy...it's just in my nature whereas others are different. I cannot see myself ever paying 1080 Ti prices for a GFX card....regardless whoever makes the card. Different strokes for different folks etc...

 

[melmac]

I agree in that you've stated the case for existing free sync owners but to actually go out and buy one now and be stuck with vega performance would be madness imo.

Why would it be madness? 1070 and 1080 performance isn't suddenly terrible. You are making it sound like people are doomed if they buy a Vega card. Volta won't be out for 6 months.

Vega will be fine for gaming and with a Freesync monitor it will be even better.

And going by the Pascal prices, it will probably still be a cheaper option than going Nvidia gsync and Volta.

 

[Rroff]

My issue with current 1000 series is I was suspicious that they didn't have the DX12 performance. Which is why I didn't jump on the bandwagon. Every game performs better in DX11 than DX12 with Nvidia.

One potential issue with the Pascal cards and DX12 is that ASync stuff needs far more care taken in approach to get the best out of the architecture compared to GCN that is far more tolerant of being indiscriminately loaded up - which is one of the reasons I don't hold out much hope that Vega's specific features will see much widespread leveraging during the cards useful lifespan as developers seem very resistant to spending time on things like that.

 

[Scougar]

As a consumer, I bought a GTX 1070 for 380 dollars. I sold it, in order to eventually get Vega and a Ryzen system. To now find that the Vega 56 is basically the same price as the GTX 1070 for the same money is very frustrating, when AMD have had 15 months or whatever to get to this place.

 

[TheRealDeal]

So it's madness to go out and buy a freesync monitor and a Vega card but not to go out and buy a 1080 and a G-Sync monitor....Hmmmmm strange logic to have if you are on a tighter budget. You would save on the monitor (£100 + depending on the Resolution/Size etc..most likely £200+ if going big) and you would still get the same experience (I think this is what AMD are saying with their current stance). Where is the madness in that?

Okay, you could go out and buy a 1080Ti...but then you would be spending another few hundred, which is okay if you have that kind of money. Anyone can buy speed if money is no object. You have to remember that AMD and Nvidia users look at things from different perspectives. Nvidia = I must have the fastest at whatever cost and I will be happy, whereas AMD = Price/Performance or Value for money brigade.

I am always going to be a Value for money guy...it's just in my nature whereas others are different. I cannot see myself ever paying 1080 Ti prices for a GFX card....regardless whoever makes the card. Different strokes for different folks etc...

I have been in both Brigades. The funny this is at the time of wanting the fastest Ati were the fastest with 9800pro/1900xtx. Both cards were only around £350 though so was all good for me. I then went to gaming less so price/performance and last ability was what i wanted. Missed out on the 8800gt though which i wanted over the Amd 3800xt. Was sold out and needed a card asap so settled on the 3800xt which irked me a good bit as the 8800gt was a much better card in my eyes. These days it's what i see as good price for performance which is why i bought the 290 for £200 3 years back.

Freesync and AMD will probably get my money as they will be the best bang for buck combination as well as lasting me longer most likely. Pricing on both sides is not great atm.

 

[opethdisciple]

I do get the impression tho that overall Gsync is better than Freesync. Greater frequency range.

 

[ljt]

I am always going to be a Value for money guy...it's just in my nature whereas others are different. I cannot see myself ever paying 1080 Ti prices for a GFX card....regardless whoever makes the card. Different strokes for different folks etc...

Agree 100% with this.

If Vega comes in at around £500 and my monitor cost £600 then total outlay will be £1100

If I'd have gone with a GTX 1080 then they are again about £500, but the closest equivalent g-sync monitor is about £900, meaning a total outlay of £1400

That £300 can go towards paying off something far more important than playing games (i.e. my mortgage)

We can't all justify spending £700+ on a gpu or close to and even well over £1000 on a monitor just to play games at the highest settings

 

[BigDools]

its all about cost and peoples needs , you want the best number crunching card and do not care what you have to spend to get that you go with nvidia/gsync.
i choose to not chase the high end card and save some money in the process and go with amd/freesync ,reasons being is that games these days can be so badly optimized that i am happy to game at max 90 fps (freesync between 35/90 hz)

my concern this time around is talk about needing to renew psu , let hope the vega prices are decent or im staying Fury until it dies

 

[opethdisciple]

Agree 100% with this.

If Vega comes in at around £500 and my monitor cost £600 then total outlay will be £1100

If I'd have gone with a GTX 1080 then they are again about £500, but the closest equivalent g-sync monitor is about £900, meaning a total outlay of £1400

That £300 can go towards paying off something far more important than playing games (i.e. my mortgage)

We can't all justify spending £700+ on a gpu or close to and even well over £1000 on a monitor just to play games at the highest settings

Your not the only one to see it this one which makes me think I'm not seeing something, but when I look at monitors I look at price. So I'll buy a Freesync panel in the 500-600 price range and the same for Gysnc.

Both will have the same features tho.. 27", 144Hz and FreeSync/Gsync.

So no price difference between FreeSync vs Gsync.

 

[Rroff]

I do get the impression tho that overall Gsync is better than Freesync. Greater frequency range.

The tech itself is capable of same frequency range as G-Sync just seems some complications with the monitor implementations - the main differences are support for windowed modes and borderless fullscreen which AMD have tried to address but last time I tried it still had some issues and low framerate handling which many people probably won't notice the difference but as someone who went through the whole playing Quake 3 at 125fps thing its rather noticeable to me - though that said if you are dropping into those kind of framerates its considerably less than ideal anyhow regardless of what technology you are using - but if you are playing at say 4K or something it might not be an option to do anything else. In most other respects there is very little difference between them when properly implemented on a monitor.

The FPGA on the G-Sync side does allow nVidia to do some messing about with having extra frame buffers, etc. they have some tech in there often overlooked to boost pixel response (which I find has some negatives as well as positives), etc. and could be used for other advanced features down the line.

 

[ljt]

Your not the only one to see it this one which makes me think I'm not seeing something, but when I look at monitors I look at price. So I'll buy a Freesync panel in the 500-600 price range and the same for Gysnc.

Both will have the same features tho.. 27", 144Hz and FreeSync/Gsync.

So no price difference between FreeSync vs Gsync.

I'm afraid you've lost me there chap. Not quite sure what you mean?

There is definitely a price difference in equivalent freesync/g-sync monitors if you match Size/Hz and panel type to be the same

 

[Brazo]

If we look at the next 4 big games (I'm interested in), I think it's safe to assume the scores are tied at 2-2.

Far Cry 5 and Wolfenstein are AMD games and Metro and Assassins Creed will be Nvidia games.

Nope it's 4-0 assuming the 1080ti comes out to play

So it's madness to go out and buy a freesync monitor and a Vega card but not to go out and buy a 1080 and a G-Sync monitor....Hmmmmm strange logic to have if you are on a tighter budget. You would save on the monitor (£100 + depending on the Resolution/Size etc..most likely £200+ if going big) and you would still get the same experience (I think this is what AMD are saying with their current stance). Where is the madness in that?

Okay, you could go out and buy a 1080Ti...but then you would be spending another few hundred, which is okay if you have that kind of money. Anyone can buy speed if money is no object. You have to remember that AMD and Nvidia users look at things from different perspectives. Nvidia = I must have the fastest at whatever cost and I will be happy, whereas AMD = Price/Performance or Value for money brigade.

I am always going to be a Value for money guy...it's just in my nature whereas others are different. I cannot see myself ever paying 1080 Ti prices for a GFX card....regardless whoever makes the card. Different strokes for different folks etc...

I get where your coming from but I couldn't compromise that much for £200.

It's sad for AMD that they have had to resort to monitor pricing to promote these cards.

 

[Martini1991]

The whole bundle stuff would have been great had it all come out together.

People wanting a new platform gpu and monitor in one go will be very rare lol.

 

[beany_bot]

Nope it's 4-0 assuming the 1080ti comes out to play



It's sad for AMD that they have had to resort to monitor pricing to promote these cards.

You what?? Vega wont cost nearly as much as a 1080Ti so why compare them?
And the monitor pricing deal is to discourage miners not to "promote these cards". They are actually trying to help us. Not that that matters to mindless fanboys like yourself.

 

[lloydcars18]

Im Building a new System soon and was Thinking about getting a 27" 1080p Monitor with 75hz and a VEGA 56 want to be able to play on the highest settings for years to come 600 pounds for both seems like a bargain to me. Also there's no point in getting a 144hz monitor if you can hit 144 fps right so the 75hz will be better and save me over 100 pounds? Destiny 2, COD WW2, Wolfenstein 2 etc

 

[Pleiades]

Current feature set:

Spoiler: DX12 feature set

It's the Standard Swizzle that makes it a definite buy from me.

 

[Pleiades]

So no price difference between FreeSync vs Gsync.

Eh, what?!

 

[opethdisciple]

I'm afraid you've lost me there chap. Not quite sure what you mean?

There is definitely a price difference in equivalent fresync/g-sync monitors if you match Size/Hz and panel type to be the same

Dunno. The way I do it is look at features (27" 144hz, 1ms response, FreeSync/Gsync) and then go off and find monitors in my price range around £500-600.

Then look at reviews, if generally thumbs up. Purchase.

So for me whether FreeSync or Gsync same price.

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Had this conversation earlier in the thread:

As an example:

The two monitors I am referring too are DELL S2716DG vs Asus MG278Q. Price difference is less than £20.

So that's 27", 144hz, 1ms response time either FreeSync vs Gysnc. Comparable price.

 

[beany_bot]

Why do people voluntarily brand lock themselves when buying Gsync/Freesync monitors? Whats wrong with Vsync. works fine for me. And I can avoid the being like those with the 1000's of posts saying "Id love to buy "x" GPU but I've just spent £1000 on a Gsync / Freesync monitor so have to buy a Nvidia / AMD GPU. Madness. Time and time again I see people posting that they want a certain GPU but can't buy it because of their monitor. Why do that to yourself?

 

[opethdisciple]

Why do people voluntarily brand lock themselves when buying Gsync/Freesync monitors? Whats wrong with Vsync. works fine for me. And I can avoid the being like those with the 1000's of posts saying "Id love to buy "x" GPU but I've just spent £1000 on a Gsync / Freesync monitor so have to buy a Nvidia / AMD GPU. Madness. Time and time again I see people posting that they want a certain GPU but can't buy it because of their monitor. Why do that to yourself?

Point!

Leads on to another question. If one just buys a 144Hz monitor with the use of enhanced sync/fast sync driver side would you still get tearing?