Is Islam compatible with atheism/lack of belief ?

Trusty said:
Do you not think it's a bit arrogant of you to call everyone who doesn't follow the Quaran, stupid?
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Yes i do. But i am not quoting this picture for the non-believers, but for the hollow arguments these people providing.
Trusty said:
One question for you - do you believe there are allegorical stories in fiction? This is what holy texts are, humanist stories passed down over centuries in the form of fiction, you aren't meant to take it literally, you're meant to find philosophical meaning in these stories and then transpose it into modern life.
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yes, i have the same believe, I believe in logical philosophy.
And i dont want any one to forcefully believe what i am saying. I told them all to read the English version of the Quran, You will see the signs that are present in that book are amazing. Dont believe in one God or the Prophets at all, believe in logic.
Another thing you people saying bad stuff about the Prophets and making jokes about haram and halal, This is the proper definition of being arrogant.
 
JammieR said:
Another thing you people saying bad stuff about the Prophets and making jokes about haram and halal, This is the proper definition of being arrogant.
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you mean the people posting relevant literature from reasonable sources that quote, as you originally requested, the unsavoury verses of the quran?

as for the jokes- i feel for you if you're unable to laugh at yourself then tis rather arrogant to laugh at others- as you have tried with the mark twain quote.
 
JammieR said:
Yes i do. But i am not quoting this picture for the non-believers, but for the hollow arguments these people providing.
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What has anyone said that is hollow and incorrect in your opinion? Please clearly state these remarks and your reasons for thinking they are false or hollow. Also please provide independently verifiable and demonstrable sources for your position.
 
Every time i read his posts i get an imagine of man in full desert garb sat on a magic carpet, with a book and a lamp.

Well if he can post bull **** so can I.
 
Arazi said:
Every time i read his posts i get an imagine of man in full desert garb sat on a magic carpet, with a book and a lamp.

Well if he can post bull **** so can I.
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I'd love to know what country he is actually posting from. I'm thinking Middle East. No Kiwi speaks English that badly.;)
 
adolf hamster said:
tbf, you ever watched the jeremy kyle show much? there are english people who have a worse command of the queens than an awful lot of foreigners.
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Fair point but someone with appalling but mother tongue English doesn't sound like this. And this is definitely not a product of the Kiwi education system :D
 
Trusty said:
To be fair, that is individual genetics rather than the design of the eye.
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The claim is that the eye has been designed perfectly. So if it cannot resist disease, degeneration or genetic mutation it really hasn't been designed 'perfectly' as you would expect from a perfect being like God.

JammieR said:
Yes i do. But i am not quoting this picture for the non-believers, but for the hollow arguments these people providing.

yes, i have the same believe, I believe in logical philosophy.
And i dont want any one to forcefully believe what i am saying. I told them all to read the English version of the Quran, You will see the signs that are present in that book are amazing. Dont believe in one God or the Prophets at all, believe in logic.
Another thing you people saying bad stuff about the Prophets and making jokes about haram and halal, This is the proper definition of being arrogant.
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There is nothing amazing in it that hasn't already been written about in literally every religion that has pre-dated Islam. Logic tells me that a man who hid himself in a cave, alone, who then claims to have been given the word of God not by God himself, but by a messenger, whose revealed 'truths' are nothing but re-hashes of older religious texts and copied works from the ancient Greeks, isn't someone to be trusted.

I really don't consider verses that command followers of Islam to kill those that decide not to believe in it anymore as amazing.

The only way you'll stop people from disbelieving you is to prove your God is real. If you can't do that then nobody has any logical reason to believe your book is the word of God.
 
JammieR said:
That is true brother. There are black sheep in the Muslim community. But yes there are black sheeps in every community no matter the cast, color and creed.
But i appeal you to look at the Holy Book if you want to understand Islam not to the Muslims or the Mullah/Clerics. There are different school of thoughts in Islam via clerics, even some will tell you to exterminate the non-believers. But that is what the clerics say not the Religion.
Speaking about balck sheeps and Terrorist. In my knowledge the person who killed most human beings in the world was Adolf Hitler. Almost killed 5M people in world war II. was he a Muslim. He was a christian but we don't blame Christianity for this, and its clear that a society or community should not be blamed or punished for the crimes committed by a single person.
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What is it with religion and use of words like brother and father?

Not to bust your bubble but before the war Stalin had announced his intention to “liquidate” prosperous peasants in his drive to rid them of their small non industial farms. Which was around 5m+ people. It is much debated who was the worse, they will likely never know the true figures, but Stalin had started his killing in the early 1930s long before the war had even started.......

Any way... Islam and black sheep.... I have little interest in understanding religion as they all follow the same format. Sky pixi/leader, books and teachings, rights and wrongs, them and us, punishment and control. The black sheep are going be the death of islam, they are busy demonising and denoucing the very thing they claim to be fighting for. The West will one day turn to the likes of Stalin, Hitler or spongbob and then it will be night night Islam.
 
Can you please show me or point me directly to the amazing parts of the Koran in English that will blow my 21st century mind and allow me to rebuild it pure.

I've tried following other gods but most were just to wacky, too many trunks or too ambivalent.
 
JammieR said:
Yes i do. But i am not quoting this picture for the non-believers, but for the hollow arguments these people providing.

yes, i have the same believe, I believe in logical philosophy.
And i dont want any one to forcefully believe what i am saying. I told them all to read the English version of the Quran, You will see the signs that are present in that book are amazing. Dont believe in one God or the Prophets at all, believe in logic.
Another thing you people saying bad stuff about the Prophets and making jokes about haram and halal, This is the proper definition of being arrogant.
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No that's not arrogant, its called humour, I don't care if 3 billion people are offended by jokes, thats tough im afraid.

Im offened by islam and the fact that people are murdered on mass on a weekly basis by some of its followers.
 
Johno please? said:
No that's not arrogant, its called humour, I don't care if 3 billion people are offended by jokes, thats tough im afraid.

Im offened by islam and the fact that people are murdered on mass on a weekly basis by some of its followers.
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I'm offended that we are expected to tolerate the reverence of an antisemitic, mass murdering, torturing, enslaving, illiterate. The bits in the Hadith where the worlds most famous child abuse victim Aisha describes the acts he performed on her as a SIX YEAR OLD are horrifying. And get this it is used to show that he was merciful because he didn't penetrate her till she was 9yo.

In case anyone wants to suggest this is blasphemy everything I have written is backed up by the Quran & Hadith

*He makes his way through the Quran murdering anyone he wants. For example a blind man who kicked dirt in his face. A slave who sang a song about him that he didn't like. In terms of numbers it is hard to calculate how many he killed but he definitely meets the minimum requirement for mass murder.
Muhammad was "in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre." Maharaj chronicled what he called were Muhammad's "criminal acts in the form of battles and murders", including the killing of four merchants during the sacred month of Rajab, the killing of 70 merchants and 900 men from Mecca, the killing of the poets 'Asma' bint Marwan and Abu 'Afak, and the initial motivation to kill followed by eventual expelling of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qaynuqa.[22]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

*He is repeatedly racist about Jews calling them pigs & monkeys. Stiff necked thieves & much more. In the Hadith he calls Muslims to wipe Jews out
The Quran states that wretchedness and baseness were stamped upon the Jews, and they were visited with wrath from Allah, that was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. And for their taking usury, which was prohibited for them, and because of their consuming people's wealth under false pretense, a painful punishment was prepared for them. The Quran requires their "abasement and poverty" in the form of the poll tax jizya. In his "wrath" God has "cursed" the Jews and will turn them into apes/monkeys and swine and idol worshipers because they are "infidels".[8]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_&_antisemitism#Remarks_on_Jews

*He makes derogatory statements about black people & says God invented them for the sole purpose of being slaves. He owns slaves, sells slaves & captures & enslaves people often.
the Holy Prophet said: Allah created Adam when he created him (sic). Then He stroke (sic) his right shoulder and took out a white race as if they were seeds, and He stroke (sic) his left shoulder and took out a black race as if they were coals. Then He said to those who were in his right side: Towards paradise and I don't care. He said to those who were on his left shoulder: Towards Hell and I don't care. - Ahmad"
Mishkat, Vol. 3, p. 117. Al-Tirmidhi No. 38 (CD-ROM), Alim.org (Archived).
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http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Racism

*He is a serial rapist in the Quran & Hadith. Mo also claims that God allows rape
It is against Islam to rape Muslim women, but Muhammad actually encouraged the rape of others captured in battle. This hadith provides the context for the Qur’anic verse (4:24
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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/rape.aspx

*Torture is something he is described as using many times in the holy texts here he tortures a man to tell him where his (the victims) money is so Mo can steal it
When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.”
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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/torture.aspx

*It is acknowledged in their religion that he was apparently illiterate
Muslim scholars believe that Muhammad was illiterate, as mentioned in the Quran itself,
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran
 
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enkoda said:
The claim is that the eye has been designed perfectly. So if it cannot resist disease, degeneration or genetic mutation it really hasn't been designed 'perfectly' as you would expect from a perfect being like God. [..]
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Also, obviously, optical illusions wouldn't exist because they are imperfect vision. We'd also have better colour discrimination, at least tetrachromic (which some animals do, so it's obviously possible). We'd also be able to see a wider range of the spectrum, since the limited range means that we can't get a perfect image of reality, i.e. it's not perfect. Faster switching to low-light vision as well, of course, since it's far from perfect to be unable to see properly for minutes when there is enough light to see but your eyes are still in bright-light mode.

Human eyes are extremely far from being perfect.

Also, obviously, everyone would have perfect vision. Anything less (myopia, astigmatism, etc) is obviously not perfect.

On top of the claim of perfection being obviously nonsense, the claim of design is utterly unsupported by any evidence or reasoning. There's a simple step by step progression from a single light-sensitive cell to an eye with functionality at every step and increased functionality at every step. There are even extant animals with eyes at various different levels along that chain of progression.
 
Angilion said:
Also, obviously, optical illusions wouldn't exist because they are imperfect vision. We'd also have better colour discrimination, at least tetrachromic (which some animals do, so it's obviously possible). We'd also be able to see a wider range of the spectrum, since the limited range means that we can't get a perfect image of reality, i.e. it's not perfect. Faster switching to low-light vision as well, of course, since it's far from perfect to be unable to see properly for minutes when there is enough light to see but your eyes are still in bright-light mode.

Human eyes are extremely far from being perfect.

Also, obviously, everyone would have perfect vision. Anything less (myopia, astigmatism, etc) is obviously not perfect.

On top of the claim of perfection being obviously nonsense, the claim of design is utterly unsupported by any evidence or reasoning. There's a simple step by step progression from a single light-sensitive cell to an eye with functionality at every step and increased functionality at every step. There are even extant animals with eyes at various different levels along that chain of progression.
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Absolutely, couldn't agree more.

I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry when watching videos like the ones with Dr Naik - I'm laughing at his general level of ignorance but crying at the number of people who believe the utter nonsense he preaches.
 
Quoting passages from the quran and the bible in an attempt to 'prove' the existence of their god to non believers does even more harm by the sheer nonsense contained therein, it's written that Muhammad flew up to heaven on a white winged beast larger than a Donkey but smaller than a Mule so could a Muslim please describe that beast for us ? a Unicorn pehaps?
 
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