Summer Transfer Window 2017/18 - Rumours & Signings

BaZ87 said:
These values (not that Liverpool have placed a value on Coutinho's head) are based on the prices of transfers that have been paid and what it would cost to sign a replacement. Utd have committed to spending £90m on Lukaku - nobody can argue that Coutinho or Dembele aren't better players/better prospects than Lukaku.
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I don't think that's a fair comparison, goals always cost more money. Look at the worth you got for anyone of your forwards that got 20 plus league goals, so far in the EPL Torres and Suarez? Imagine what 20 year old Owen would command now and he never got 20.

I'm not a huge Lukaku fan but he's worth more than Coutinho to most of the top 4 looking for goals. Clubs pay a premium for goals.
 
dannyjo22 said:
And then the other side of the coin we can't get rid of Barkley. A wake up call for the big time Charlie.
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Shamikebab said:
Did the Barkley Spurs thing dry up? I haven't really kept track of them this transfer window.
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Everybody interested in Barkley are just waiting for the last week or so of the window and hoping Everton back down on their £50m asking price. It's one thing paying ott when there's no pressure on the selling club to sell but there is pressure on Everton. Come the 27th, if Spurs or Chelsea offer £25m Everton are left with a big decision to make.
dannyjo22 said:
I don't think that's a fair comparison, goals always cost more money. Look at the worth you got for anyone of your forwards that got 20 plus league goals, so far in the EPL Torres and Suarez? Imagine what 20 year old Owen would command now and he never got 20.

I'm not a huge Lukaku fan but he's worth more than Coutinho to most of the top 4 looking for goals. Clubs pay a premium for goals.
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Attacking players in general cost more, not specifically strikers. Coutinho scored or assisted 20 goals last season in 2/3's of the game time that Lukaku played and that was from a midfield/attacking midfield position. You think if Hazard was available he wouldn't be worth much more than Lukaku because he didn't score as many?

edit: even Neymar didn't score as many as Lukaku. Utd got a bargain ;)
 
I didn't say they paid more for strikers, I said they paid more for goals and they do. They paid 90 million for Lukaku because he will get them 25 goals next year. If he scored 10 and assisted in 10 they wouldn't have paid 90 million.
 
Oh, I don't dispute that. They've signed Lukaku because he's a safe bet even if he doesn't have the potential to be a real superstar. That doesn't make him worth more than Coutinho though and undoubtedly, if Liverpool were willing sellers, they'd point to his fee and other equally expensive fees when making their demands.
 
sigma said:
I don't know of any surgeons or fireman who have millions of people across the world watching them working or who have image rights etc. I agree that the values are crazy but the concept isn't difficult to grasp.
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I meant it from a point of view that a Surgeon or Fireman saves peoples lives and such a thing should be valued highly, whereas a footballer basically just bangs a model and kicks a piece of leather around. IMO no footballer is worth 200m, but a top surgeon capable of saving thousands of lives by being able to perform an immensely difficult operation makes more sense to be valuable. Crikey, its just a footballer for heavens sake! It is, unrefutably , bonkers.
 
Tombstone said:
I meant it from a point of view that a Surgeon or Fireman saves peoples lives and such a thing should be valued highly, whereas a footballer basically just bangs a model and kicks a piece of leather around. IMO no footballer is worth 200m, but a top surgeon capable of saving thousands of lives by being able to perform an immensely difficult operation makes more sense to be valuable. Crikey, its just a footballer for heavens sake! It is, unrefutably , bonkers.
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There is maybe ten at most people in the world that can do what Neymar can do. And he brings in an immense amount of income to his owner. There is a lot of people that can be a fireman. Lives have value sure but a lot of people can save them. If there was a surgeon that had the skills that only a few people in the world had then he would have immense value to the right people. Why is £200m any more bonkers than £10m? To most people they're equally ridiculous sums of money that are well beyond what they will have available to them.
 
Shamikebab said:
There is maybe ten at most people in the world that can do what Neymar can do. And he brings in an immense amount of income to his owner. There is a lot of people that can be a fireman. Lives have value sure but a lot of people can save them. If there was a surgeon that had the skills that only a few people in the world had then he would have immense value to the right people. Why is £200m any more bonkers than £10m? To most people they're equally ridiculous sums of money that are well beyond what they will have available to them.
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Well, I'll just leave this line of conversation here I think, I'm obviously the only one who thinks there is something wrong with a man who plays football being valued as worth 200m, that so many are ok with it probably says something about the state of football but thats a topic for another conversation, so not much point in continuing this conversational line. Back to the football news.
 
Of course it's mental, the whole world is mental but you've got to have your 'thing' though, it's no different to Avatar making a $1 billion....France benefit, previous money that wasn't flowing into the government is now being paid to Neymar at over 50% tax. They win as a result of supply & demand/capitalism, and that's not even including all the cr*p he'll buy in those Gucci stores.. :p
 
Tombstone said:
Well, I'll just leave this line of conversation here I think, I'm obviously the only one who thinks there is something wrong with a man who plays football being valued as worth 200m, that so many are ok with it probably says something about the state of football but thats a topic for another conversation, so not much point in continuing this conversational line. Back to the football news.
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I don't think anyone would really disagree with your sentiment, but we live in a capitalist world. Surgeons and firemen don't make anyone money.
 
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