Did they really service my car?

It is actually an MoT thing, at least at my local place - tread on all tyres, including spare.

No, the spare tyre is not tested on the MOT, doesnt matter if you have one or not or if its bald or not. You could have a car without a spare and just be on your way to kwik-fit to get a tyre changed on a wheel for your mate (far fetched I know, but this is why its not tested)
 
They're not allowed to remove anything when doing the MOT.

This was a big problem with Mercs about 10 years ago. One model range (cant remember precise model designation) had awful corrosion issues with the front subframe even on relatively young vehicles (IE Wheels could fall off without warning level of severity) Everybody knew that the front subframes were corroding to dust, but because they were covered by an under-shield, the MOT people couldn't "Test" them.
 
If you have a spare it gets checked. If in doubt take it out, they can't test what isn't there :p


As said the spare tyre is not part of the MOT, whether it is there or not, whether there should be one or not, makes not blindest bit of difference, it is not part of the test and will not be checked as part of the test.


Some garages however will also do a courtesy check, or a safety check alongside the MOT and might check tread depths and condition of the spare (if present) as part of that check, but it is not a legal requirement to check it as part of an MOT.
 
This was a big problem with Mercs about 10 years ago. One model range (cant remember precise model designation) had awful corrosion issues with the front subframe even on relatively young vehicles (IE Wheels could fall off without warning level of severity) Everybody knew that the front subframes were corroding to dust, but because they were covered by an under-shield, the MOT people couldn't "Test" them.

Thats pretty poor, the dealer should have noticed while servicing it. But I guess they were probably told to keep quiet.
 
Modern "Glued on" RVM's have a nasty tendency to come away from the windscreen if you try to adjust them. Most mechanics would actively choose not to attempt to adjust them..

Never had that happen in any car I've ever adjusted the mirror in :confused:


spare wheel (if fitted) needs to be legal.

Not true. Present or not present, the spare wheel is not part of an MOT test.
 
No, the spare tyre is not tested on the MOT
it is not part of the test and will not be checked as part of the test.
Not true. Present or not present, the spare wheel is not part of an MOT test.

Ah..... found it: https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4s04000201.htm

MOT manual states, "This inspection applies to:Tyres fitted to the road wheels only"...
However, it then states, "The vehicle presenter should be informed when it is noticed that there is a defective tyre on a spare wheel"...

So while they don't have to test it and so cannot fail on it, they can/will look the spare over and inform you nonetheless...
 
Thats pretty poor, the dealer should have noticed while servicing it. But I guess they were probably told to keep quiet.

It wasn't necessary to remove the panelling for "routine" servicing. But yes, Mercedes did know all about it and if Customers "Found Out" they would do a replacement on even quite old cars. But I do not seem to recall any official recall being made on the issue.

(The problem was basically the same as on many more modern cars. The manufacturers attitude is that you dont have to paint anything you cant see. Anything behind the plastic covers is just in factory primer. No protection at all really :( )

Never had that happen in any car I've ever adjusted the mirror in :confused:

Are you a Mechanic?

A Non-mechanic might only find himself trying to adjust a RVM a dozen times a year or so.

A Mechanic in a busy workshop might (Have the opportunity to) do so a Dozen times a day.

What might only happen once a life time for you might happen once every two-three months for a mechanic.

It only has to happen "Once" on a customers car and the sheer ball-ache of dealing with the consequences means you will never want to do it again!:p
 
Are you a Mechanic?

A Non-mechanic might only find himself trying to adjust a RVM a dozen times a year or so.

A Mechanic in a busy workshop might (Have the opportunity to) do so a Dozen times a day.

What might only happen once a life time for you might happen once every two-three months for a mechanic.

It only has to happen "Once" on a customers car and the sheer ball-ache of dealing with the consequences means you will never want to do it again!:p

Perhaps you should be more careful with customers' cars then :p
 
(The problem was basically the same as on many more modern cars. The manufacturers attitude is that you dont have to paint anything you cant see. Anything behind the plastic covers is just in factory primer. No protection at all really :( )

You say that, but on my Toyota (well, it's actually made by Suburu) they have painted absolutely everywhere. I took the plastic trim off from around the gearstick/center console not long ago and even in the crevices it's all properly painted and lacquered which was a nice suprise O_O

Can't say the same about the 2 Fords I've had though. Remove a carpet and theres just a thin layer of primer.
 
Ah..... found it: https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4s04000201.htm

MOT manual states, "This inspection applies to:Tyres fitted to the road wheels only"...
However, it then states, "The vehicle presenter should be informed when it is noticed that there is a defective tyre on a spare wheel"...

So while they don't have to test it and so cannot fail on it, they can/will look the spare over and inform you nonetheless...


Actually sorry but no.

Where you say , "They can/will look the spare over" I am afraid that is untrue, there is no "can/will" about it, it is far more "might".

As you rightly pointed out in the other sentence "The vehicle presenter should be informed"

That is the important word, and basically means in an ideal world where the tester has acres of time for each test, they might go through the vehicle with a fine tooth comb and notify the presenter of all appropriate information.

In the real world 99% of testers will not even give the spare wheel/tyre a first glance, let alone a second, and that is only when the spare is hanging under the vehicle.

If the wheel is inside under a cover plate and or carpet, then the tester will NEVER look at it, as has already been pointed out, the tester cannot lift, move or remove anything, to gain access to something obscured during the test.
 
Where you say , "They can/will look the spare over" I am afraid that is untrue, there is no "can/will" about it, it is far more "might".
They can, as in they might, depending on which place you use.
They will, as in our local WILL always check.

If the wheel is inside under a cover plate and or carpet, then the tester will NEVER look at it, as has already been pointed out, the tester cannot lift, move or remove anything, to gain access to something obscured during the test.
They always remove the wheel cover to get to the spare tyre hanging bracket on the back of the wife's SUV, which I understand IS a point to be tested...
 
Someone said the spare wheel needs to be legal. The suggested counter-point of it not being part of the MOT is irrelevant. A car needs to be roadworthy (legal requirement) to be used on the road. If the spare isnt in good condition then you cant use it in anger without making the car un-roadworthy. Therefore if you have one then it really should be in good condition or you may as well take it out of the car.
 
Someone said the spare wheel needs to be legal. The suggested counter-point of it not being part of the MOT is irrelevant. A car needs to be roadworthy (legal requirement) to be used on the road. If the spare isnt in good condition then you cant use it in anger without making the car un-roadworthy. Therefore if you have one then it really should be in good condition or you may as well take it out of the car.

I think the point was more surrounding the common misconception that the spare wheel is part of an MOT test :)

I fully agree that having a bald spare is daft, but if it's not fitted to the car then in the eyes of the law it's just a wheel in the boot of a car, no?
 
I think the point was more surrounding the common misconception that the spare wheel is part of an MOT test :)

I fully agree that having a bald spare is daft, but if it's not fitted to the car then in the eyes of the law it's just a wheel in the boot of a car, no?

It is, but it's a total dead weight. :)

The other misconception is that a car which passes an MOT is roadworthy for the next 12 months. :)
 
In what universe is anybody going to voluntarily stay stranded with a puncture instead of use a spare with low tread to get home?

Who uses a spare tyre for long enough to wear it out anyway? I don't think I've ever seen a worn spare, by far the bigger issue is that folks never check the pressure and find that it's flat when they come to need it.
 
Who uses a spare tyre for long enough to wear it out anyway?
They don't use it. They just swap out a punctured one and never get around to fixing that.

Same as certain people who take their spare and/or the toolkit out one time, "to make more boot space" and never put them back, even after calling out the AA for two separate punctures on her flippin' car...!!
Here's me thinking I'll be all manly and change the tyre, flip open the boot flap to find an empty space where the spare wheel should be and a sheepish look where the expression of girly admiration should be. :(
 
Yep, low pressure or very old rubber (10years+, say) are the likely issues.

Is 'old rubber' an issue on a tyre that never sees the light of day or gets exposed to the elements? Genuine question - I've never seen a spare tyre on any age car look anything other than brand new!
 
They can, as in they might, depending on which place you use.
They will, as in our local WILL always check.

I am sure they do always check, as some others may do , but the point I am making is that they don't have to, and it is most likely as a courtesy, due to that particular garages policy.

In fact I would not be surprised that maybe one tester does the check, and another tester at the same garage on a different day, will not, as he never checks any when he does a test.

It is entirely at testers discretion.


They always remove the wheel cover to get to the spare tyre hanging bracket on the back of the wife's SUV, which I understand IS a point to be tested...

The only check necessary on an externally fitted spare wheel or spare wheel carrier is that "it must not be so insecure that it is likely to fall off".

This can be done by giving it a slight wiggle, in similar fashion to wiggling road wheels to test for play and movement in wheel bearings.

To conduct this test, there is zero need to remove anything, and nothing should ever be removed.

If an inspector (like myself) should ever come along, and see anyone removing anything during a test, then the relevant tester and testing house, will get, at the minimum, a written warning from DVSA, or possibly loose their license, if they have had previous warnings, basically two strikes and you are out.
 
Is 'old rubber' an issue on a tyre that never sees the light of day or gets exposed to the elements? Genuine question - I've never seen a spare tyre on any age car look anything other than brand new!

No, I've seen spares 25 years old that are still supple.
 
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