google employee's internal diversity memo goes viral

"Not sure if serious"?
lol, really?
Have you never heard of the term - "vagina rules?"
its literally men's greatest weak point, women however hold their ground. Moral of the story - women rule.

Now you say it, looking up that term on google scholar, these papers are up their with "Does the Inertia of a Body Depend Upon Its Energy Content?" or at least "As we may think" :)
 
Now you say it, looking up that term on google scholar, these papers are up their with "Does the Inertia of a Body Depend Upon Its Energy Content?" or at least "As we may think" :)
Yep, men have a much higher thirst of sexual decency than women have. That's just biology ;)
If you are a man who disagrees with this then I 100% can assure you that you're followers are talking out of their bums.
 
Yep, men have a much higher thirst of sexual decency than women have. That's just biology ;)
If you are a man who disagrees with this then I 100% can assure you that you're followers are talking out of their bums.
Even assuming the above 'statement' such as it is were true, what pertinence does it have to googles policy and/or software engineering?
 
Even assuming the above 'statement' such as it is were true, what pertinence does it have to googles policy and/or software engineering?
Well, proof is in that, even according to mainstream media, that 9.8% of high school UK students are girls who have passed A or A* in computer science.
So, *shrug*. Need I say more?

Drink up man. We men have it rough, we are controlled by women one way or another and yet we are emotionally politically or socially controlled by women one way or the other. The older you get I absolutely 100% sure you that you will realise this at some point in your life.
 
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I see Evo has started on the glue early tonight
No glue or illegal substance involved I absolutely promise any of any geeky patrons here.
I'm just certain that probably minimum 90% of my computer hobby related guys know exactly 100% what I mean, and know exactly how politically correction - corruption is breaking down society in general.

When PC issues have gone from the working classes to the "technical" classes? then everyone should appreciate the wrong doings of civilisation approaching them in middle classes of society to realise that something bad is going on in society.
 
No glue or illegal substance involved I absolutely promise any of any geeky patrons here.
I'm just certain that probably minimum 90% of my computer hobby related guys know exactly 100% what I mean, and know exactly how politically correction - corruption is breaking down society in general.

When PC issues have gone from the working classes to the "technical" classes? then everyone should appreciate the wrong doings of civilisation approaching them in middle classes of society to realise that something bad is going on in society.

I do agree PC culture is aids.

If everyone cares so much about diversity, wipe off names from CV's give everyone a number and make it a legal requirement to have blind interviews where they won't know if you are black or white (or female make the 2 way phone use a voice changer).

Done. Fixes all these issues, bring it into law and hurry up.... I want to laugh when nothing much will change. But hey maybe i'm wrong, all of sudden in tech we'll see 50/50 split between woman and men.... I highly doubt it though.

Edit: Also do the same for university applications.
 
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I do agree PC culture is aids.

If everyone cares so much about diversity, wipe off names from CV's give everyone a number and make it a legal requirement to have blind interviews where they won't know if you are black or white (or female make the 2 way phone use a voice changer).

Done. Fixes all these issues, bring it into law and hurry up.... I want to laugh when nothing much will change. But hey maybe i'm wrong, all of sudden in tech we'll see 50/50 split between woman and men.... I highly doubt it though.

Edit: Also do the same for university applications.
But lately this is exactly how society is changing.
Don't get me wrong I do agree with the potential theory of what how you describe.
But imagine this, which is simply quite the case these days: what if a woman, such as Diane Abbott applies for - shrug - any job, she may be the only female applicant of 100 applicants for a job, and yet potentially she literally realistically could get the job even if she is vastly under qualified. THAT is the point these days. Its like a primary school female head teacher getting the job over Steve Jobs CEO position, it is literally that simple, by far.
 
But lately this is exactly how society is changing.
Don't get me wrong I do agree with the potential theory of what how you describe.
But imagine this, which is simply quite the case these days: what if a woman, such as Diane Abbott applies for - shrug - any job, she may be the only female applicant of 100 applicants for a job, and yet potentially she literally realistically could get the job even if she is vastly under qualified. THAT is the point these days. Its like a primary school female head teacher getting the job over Steve Jobs CEO position, it is literally that simple, by far.

I think that is exactly what DID happen lol.

I wouldn't trust her even to answer the phone to customers. Certainly not do anything that involves numbers or decision making on any level. The fact Corbyn made her shadow home secretary shows a total lack of judgement (or she has some dirt on him).
 
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When all this PC nonsense starts irritating me I usually put some South Park or anything from Seth McFarlane on to remind me that I don't need to entertain this bull ****.
 
I think you should post your 'evidence' on either blog.
All I have asked for is evidence of the claim made in the manifesto that there are evolutionary/biological differences pertinent to googles policy!

Nothing you have posted offers that, but it would be interesting / hilarious to watch you join the discourse directly!

P.S. Im on my holiday, it can't all be marxist/nazi conspiracy theories every day.


I have re read the 'Google manifesto' and I'm going to have to ask you to actually outline what you mean by 'evidence of the claim made in the manifesto that there are evolutionary/biological differences pertinent to googles policy'

What particular 'policy' or 'policies' of google are you actually on about?

If its the policy that says something like...

'if there is not a 50/50 split off women and men in tech it is down to discrimination and societal conditioning working against women and so google needs a discriminate against men policy'

then Its quite clear there good evidence that's pertinent to such a policy (i.e. to suggests its wrong in its core assumptions and a bad idea in practice)

The conclusion of your article seem to largely confirm this....

'2. Gender differences in interest and enjoyment of math, coding, and highly “systemizing” activities are large. The difference on traits related to preferences for “people vs. things” is found consistently and is very large, with some effect sizes exceeding 1.0. '

There also good evidence to suggest that in addition to these differences being Universally observed globally and through recent human history that such differences cannot be explained (at least solely) through 'societal conditioning' as their observable in infants including new born children. The high degree of pervasiveness and universality would also support the hypothesis that such differences are unlikely to be due to societal conditioning. That's before you throw it the knockout punch of information suggesting that more egalitarian states with high degrees of state mandated gender equality seen to frequently result in increased gender differentiation in the behaviours of men and women (as mentioned in Damore's memo)


Social Behavior: Several lines of research are consistent with small sex differences in emerging personality and social domains. A metaanalyses of gender differences in temperament found that, compared to boys, infant girls are better able to inhibit responses and show greater sensitivity to environmental changes, greater fearfulness, and lower activity levels (ElseQuest, Hyde, Goldsmith, & Van Hulle, 2006). Infant girls may also show greater responsiveness to social stimuli, such as the maternal face, sound, or touch. For example, compared to males, female newborns score higher in global ratings of cuddliness (Benenson et al., 1999), show more orientation to a face or voice (Connellan, Baron-Cohen, Wheelwright, Batki, & Ahluwalia, 2000; Osofsky & O’Connell, 1977), and, like older infant girls (Mundy et al., 2007), exhibit longer eye contact with an experimenter (Hittelman & Dickes, 1979). Sex differences in the incentive value of social stimuli are also consistent with findings that infant girls show stronger visual preferences for a doll (i.e., an object with human attributes) than for a toy truck (Alexander, Wilcox, & Woods, 2009) than infant boys. In contrast, boys shortly after birth show stronger visual preferences for a mechanical mobile than for a face (Connellan et al., 2000) and, like much older boys, in the 1st year of life they show more visual preferences for balls, vehicles, and a group of figures than for a solitary figure (Alexander et al., 2009; Benenson, Duggan, & Markovits, 2004; Campbell, Shirley, & Heywood, 2000).

Link

Given that the supposed Marxist PhDer.

He quotes communist SJW's, supports 'positive' discrimination, agitates for unlimited migration and his twitter feed is quite heavily slewed towards criticism of the right (not even at its extreme).

If it walks like a duck and quacks like one...
 
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When all this PC nonsense starts irritating me I usually put some South Park or anything from Seth McFarlane on to remind me that I don't need to entertain this bull ****.
Yeah I feel you, I was more or less the same when I was early 30's when I'd never voted before, until around Lee Rigby death, and then I took a bit of interest in politics which I stumbled upon Nigel Farage of which he was talking like how everyday people felt about politics. I think it was then that the left and right divide started, and recently the so-called "alt" left/right became a thing.
Personally I totally hate the extreme/alt right. In ways I'm alt-left and most parts rights. These days its not just about Tories vs Labour (rich vs working classes), its about many, many issues, which a great number of people (leftists) are name calling, rather than talking of addressing issues.
 
I have re read the 'Google manifesto' and I'm going to have to ask you to actually outline what you mean by 'evidence of the claim made in the manifesto that there are evolutionary/biological differences pertinent to googles policy'

What particular 'policy' or 'policies' of google are you actually on about?

If its the policy that says something like...

'if there is not a 50/50 split off women and men in tech it is down to discrimination and societal conditioning working against women and so google needs a discriminate against men policy'

then Its quite clear there good evidence that's pertinent to such a policy (i.e. to suggests its wrong in its core assumptions and a bad idea in practice)

The conclusion of your article seem to largely confirm this....

'2. Gender differences in interest and enjoyment of math, coding, and highly “systemizing” activities are large. The difference on traits related to preferences for “people vs. things” is found consistently and is very large, with some effect sizes exceeding 1.0. '

There also good evidence to suggest that in addition to these differences being Universally observed globally and through recent human history that such differences cannot be explained (at least solely) through 'societal conditioning' as their observable in infants including new born children. The high degree of pervasiveness and universality would also support the hypothesis that such differences are unlikely to be due to societal conditioning. That's before you throw it the knockout punch of information suggesting that more egalitarian states with high degrees of state mandated gender equality seen to frequently result in increased gender differentiation in the behaviours of men and women (as mentioned in Damore's memo)




Link



He quotes communist SJW's, supports 'positive' discrimination, agitates for unlimited migration and his twitter feed is quite heavily slewed towards criticism of the right (not even at its extreme).

If it walks like a duck and quacks like one...
Even if the below is written by a duckbot, the point not the man should be addressed!

The Damore manifesto asserts that “On average, men and women biologically differ in many ways” but only offers examples of general psychological differences assumed to have “biological causes.” The only actual biological factor mentioned is testosterone—a hormone that plays a primary role in development of male reproductive tissues (e.g., testes and prostate) and the development of secondary sex characteristics like increased muscle mass and bone strength in men—but without any understanding of the hormone and its complexity biologically and culturally. What the manifesto actually refers to is a set of psychological assessments of gender difference drawing on the work of a few evolutionary psychologists, some magazine articles, and Wikipedia.

http://blogs.plos.org/scicomm/2017/...ance-of-evolutionary-processes-and-privilege/

As is the anthropologist, I'm asking, what evidence is there for the claims of biological difference pertinent to googles policy. Which policy/behaviour at google the Manifesto's author believes different testosterone levels in infants/unborn are relevant to, is not easy to answer, as the author only discusses broad issues he believes exist with google's behaviour!

Having only had a short while to read the article you linked, are you presenting this as evidence of biological and/or evolutionary gender difference relevant to female participation in technology?
If so can you explain how/where you believe the article/research shows relevance!

As you and I have already discussed, the heterodoxacademy even with it's stated aims, does not support such claims and notes that such differences are not shown to be 'hard wired'. There is good evidence for neuroplasticity for example.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/0...es-the-research-say-about-gender-differences/


You have also restated data I have already commented on, preference testing in adults shows large differences between genders, which doesn't seem the case in capability tests!
 
Drink up man. We men have it rough, we are controlled by women one way or another and yet we are emotionally politically or socially controlled by women one way or the other. The older you get I absolutely 100% sure you that you will realise this at some point in your life.

Out of idle curiosity, how old are you?
 
But lately this is exactly how society is changing.
Don't get me wrong I do agree with the potential theory of what how you describe.
But imagine this, which is simply quite the case these days: what if a woman, such as Diane Abbott applies for - shrug - any job, she may be the only female applicant of 100 applicants for a job, and yet potentially she literally realistically could get the job even if she is vastly under qualified. THAT is the point these days. Its like a primary school female head teacher getting the job over Steve Jobs CEO position, it is literally that simple, by far.

Yep that's the problem.

As I said anonymous recruiting fixes both any possible discrimination and also fixes companies being forced to hire incomptenant individuals to fulfil some diversity quota....
 
. So what? - when a woman wants her own way and violence is the result which gender is almost always the person to carry out the brutality? - man or woman? yeah... obvious is obvious, and yet men are the evil or beneficiaries.


well outside your little world it ususaly ends up with the woman getting beaten and forced to submit?


Have you never heard of the term - "vagina rules?"
its literally men's greatest weak point, women however hold their ground. Moral of the story - women rule.

yeah sorry that's really not how the world is. maybe for nice little timid boys but in reality a woman having a vag is less like the thrown and crown your making it out to be and more like walking through a dodgy neighborhood with your mobile out.
 
http://blogs.plos.org/scicomm/2017/...ance-of-evolutionary-processes-and-privilege/

As is the anthropologist, I'm asking, what evidence is there for the claims of biological difference pertinent to googles policy. Which policy/behaviour at google the Manifesto's author believes different testosterone levels in infants/unborn are relevant to, is not easy to answer, as the author only discusses broad issues he believes exist with google's behaviour!

Having only had a short while to read the article you linked, are you presenting this as evidence of biological and/or evolutionary gender difference relevant to female participation in technology?
If so can you explain how/where you believe the article/research shows relevance!

As you and I have already discussed, the heterodoxacademy even with it's stated aims, does not support such claims and notes that such differences are not shown to be 'hard wired'. There is good evidence for neuroplasticity for example.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/0...es-the-research-say-about-gender-differences/


You have also restated data I have already commented on, preference testing in adults shows large differences between genders, which doesn't seem the case in capability tests!


that snippet seems to imply testosterone only has an effect on the body. testosterone and oestrogen have a huge effect on personality and mental state.

So unless you start hormone treatment for all employees to bring them to the same level you're going to have some pretty major differences down the line.
 
that snippet seems to imply testosterone only has an effect on the body. testosterone and oestrogen have a huge effect on personality and mental state.

So unless you start hormone treatment for all employees to bring them to the same level you're going to have some pretty major differences down the line.
Not sure why you believe anything I posted implies that.
I'm simply asking for evidence that biological difference is pertinent to working in tech.
Full disclosure my other half carried our child not me, I understand biological difference I'm not aware of evidence that biological difference has any effect on someones ability to code?
 
Wow, so a male (white?) guy is being suppressed to believe he is inferior... yeah, sounds about right.
Racist much?
No?
So, lets see, a supreme violent while group is seen as extrmeist, so what about Black Lives Matter then? - when you consider that whites are the, apparent dominant human race of society? - how does the race percentage compare, really? no, really? please.... anyone, explain and get yourself banned from facebook, because that is exactly how and why you will get banned, no matter what the reason might be - all because facebook has ZERO balls to discuss the matter.
 
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