Barcelona Incident

Amp34 said:
And all this complaint about the left and the far left. The difference is they aren't killing anyone, whereas the far "right" are doing it all the time.
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Left and BLM kill cops and attempt to kill congressman. And let's not forget about all the vids of Trump suporters being attacked.

Anti-Donald Trump campaigner 'shoots Republican neighbour twice in the head'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lican-dead-head-george-jennings-a7895966.html
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A lone gunman who was said to be distraught over President Trump’s election opened fire on members of the Republican congressional baseball team

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html
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On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran who was reportedly angry over police shootings of black men and stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers​

Amp34 said:
Whether it be neo-nazis and supremacists or organisations like ISIS who are another quintessential far right group fighting for very similar reasons to the neo-nazis. They're shaped from the same cloth.
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Ah yes, I've been watching this one slowly evolve on the forum. It went a little something like this:

Amp34 et al: Far-right violence is much worse than Islamic violence!
Normal person: *produces metrics showing that Islamic violence is far worse*
Amp34 et al: Well, ISIS are quintessential far right! *adds ISIS tally to far-right* See, look how much far right violence there is!

Terrorism is named after its motivation, which is why terrorism inspired by Islam is called Islamic, not far-right, and I’m pretty sure you know this.

Seriously, it’s getting to the point where I’m not sure whether you (et al) are parody accounts, utterly ignorant, or just ******* liars.
 
Skunkworks said:
Left and BLM kill cops and attempt to kill congressman. And let's not forget about all the vids of Trump suporters being attacked.

Anti-Donald Trump campaigner 'shoots Republican neighbour twice in the head'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lican-dead-head-george-jennings-a7895966.html
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A lone gunman who was said to be distraught over President Trump’s election opened fire on members of the Republican congressional baseball team

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/us/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html
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On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran who was reportedly angry over police shootings of black men and stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers​


Ah yes, I've been watching this one slowly evolve on the forum. It went a little something like this:

Amp34 et al: Far-right violence is much worse than Islamic violence!
Normal person: *produces metrics showing that Islamic violence is far worse*
Amp34 et al: Well, ISIS are quintessential far right! *adds ISIS tally to far-right* See, look how much far right violence there is!

Terrorism is named after its motivation, which is why terrorism inspired by Islam is called Islamic, not far-right, and I’m pretty sure you know this.

Seriously, it’s getting to the point where I’m not sure whether you (et al) are parody accounts, utterly ignorant, or just ******* liars.
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I feel exactly the same, i hope there's plenty more of us out there that see through his and his buddies whataboutery apologist BS.
 
h4rm0ny said:
Such people are a tiny minority in the USA and the UK. Worth keeping an eye on but realistically, I don't feel much threatened by such people.
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The few waving Nazi flags are just the most visible members of a profoundly xenophobic, racist, authoritarian and sexist movement that the current occupant of the White House is keen to keep on side. You're complaining about a handful of cancelled university lectures and other things that some internet users are obsessed with but have no impact in the wider world (ask a randomer what a 'safe space' is and they'll likely have no clue), while in the US access to abortion is restricted, black suspects can be killed with legal impunity and immigrants are hounded by the authorities and private militias. It's pretty obvious to me that the greater threat to the rights and opportunities of the greatest number of people does not come from an odd-ball collection of anarchists, communists, anti-fascists and Twitter users with virtually no representation in government. Right-wing extremists and the politicians who want their support are inflicting huge harm on others every day of the week.
 
Dis86 said:
Precisely! You're doing exactly what I said and seeing their opinions as worth less because you don't share their views. Just like they saw/see certain other people as being worth less...
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No, in response to the French resistance you said 'I'm sure a lot of people see them as terrorists, murderers and scum bags'

My witty retort was just a shortened version of saying, i'm pretty sure the only people who saw them like that were the oppressing force of the Nazis who were invading the country and holding it by force.

I'm not dismissing their views just because they are Nazis, but because in this example it's obvious to an objective outsider who is using violence as the aggressor and who is using violence as self defence.

Now you can't honestly tell me there is a moral equivalence in both sides just because of the use of violence.
 
Freakbro said:
Well, thankfully there's more of us that can see through you and your buddies nazi sympathiser BS :)
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I do not support NAZI's.

There you have it, don't support their view or have even slightly to the right views you are labelled a racist and now the new buzzword is NAZI.

Again, BS
 
h4rm0ny said:
Look at the people you're arguing with - which of us do you think has ever said there is no such things as a moderate muslim. Moderate muslims are the majority of muslims. Your post above reads as ad hominem, frankly.
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I don't have to think it, I have read people saying it on this forum.

Hell, proposed actions against terrorism have been, kick out every Muslim, stop every Muslim coming to the west, ban Islam and some corkers just from last night, ban anyone with a middle eastern name from hiring a van, microchip every Muslim.

These don't seem to be the reactions of people who think that the majority (Christ, Arazi still argues 1% isn't a minority) of Muslims are peaceful moderate people not responsible for the actions of the extremists.
 
Arazi said:
I do not support NAZI's.
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I'm not an apologist, doesn't stop you keep shouting that out to me and everyone else every time we put a view forward you don't like, so as far as i'm concerned with the views you express you're a Nazi sympathiser

And your lack of self awareness in expressing indignation at being labelled something you're not is hilarious
 
Fair point though, if you can label us apologists with literally no evidence (which I think is extremely insulting to us and the victims of terror), then surely we have the same right to call you whatever we want?

It works both ways.
 
Freakbro said:
No, in response to the French resistance you said 'I'm sure a lot of people see them as terrorists, murderers and scum bags'

My witty retort was just a shortened version of saying, i'm pretty sure the only people who saw them like that were the oppressing force of the Nazis who were invading the country and holding it by force.

I'm not dismissing their views just because they are Nazis, but because in this example it's obvious to an objective outsider who is using violence as the aggressor and who is using violence as self defence.

Now you can't honestly tell me there is a moral equivalence in both sides just because of the use of violence.
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In some of the footage I saw right wingers being attacked with mace?
 
VincentHanna said:
Fair point though, if you can label us apologists with literally no evidence (which I think is extremely insulting to us and the victims of terror), then surely we have the same right to call you whatever we want?

It works both ways.
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Awww, do what you like sweetheart.
 
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