Guy jailed for writing kill all muslims

[Energize]

Not this idiocy again.


Every human, whatever their ethnic back ground, skin color, place of birth, are all part of the same race. The human race

Racism refers to social and cultural differences because there no biologically different races. Unless you think racism should only apply to actions against other animals.

Not really, groups of people that have distinct physical characteristics are considered a race, what we would term a "breed" when applied to animals of the same species.

Attacking a group of people for a believing in a certain made up God is not racism anymore than attacking people who believe in unicorns. Maybe we should put Richard Dawkins in prison for attacking Islamic beliefs?

 

[D.P.]

Again please tell me what other 'races' exist beyond the human one? Otherwise the term race is pointless!

I'm glad you agree.

With the other types of animals on the plantet the correct term in English is 'species'

Race is used in the biological taxonomy below subspecies. There is no biological support for humans of different races, thus we are all the same human race.

On the other hand I think that the idiots im this example are the people that conflate opposition to a belief system with racism. Racism and physical attacks on muslims obviously have large overlap on say a Venn diagram but they are not the same as a Muslim can be someone from any background.....

So why say Islamophobia of we can more accurately use a term like racism?

Muslims can be from any background but they have many shared cultural, social, and language attributes. For example, the shared culture of Islam.


Islamophobia is a specific type of racism, it can be used inter changeably with anti-Muslim racism. For example antisemitism is a specific form of racism against Jews.

 

[Caracus2k]

I'm glad you agree.

Then no one can be racist... if there are no races or only one much like you could not be sexist if there were not at least two sexes.

Islamophobia is a specific type of racism, it can be used inter changeably with anti-Muslim racism. For example antisemitism is a specific form of racism against Jews.

If I, as a light skinned English man, physically attack a light skinned male who believes that mohammed was the last prophet of God. Who rode from Arabia to the levant on a winged horse because of that belief is that a subset of racism?

 

[Housey]

He was inciting racial hatred. Seems pretty clear cut.

This argument would hold water if it were indicative of a fair and equal view on such things, but sadly it isn't.

 

[Housey]

Sadly many younger members here, with idolised views of what nations and people are and should aim to be, what is right and wrong and how we should all act, will sadly become embittered to the reality of our world and too will become less open minded, free of spirit and supportive of those today you feel misrepresented. For centuries this has been the case, nothing will change, but life teaches you that a rose tinted view of the whole world is often a wasted emotion because you know what, people are often utter and total ***** be they oppressed or not and your "we are all the same and should be treated the same" is incredibly naïve outside of an ambition that would be great but will never arrive in our life times.

It may sound bitterness of age, but I suspect most people of my age (50) or above will share this view, certainly those who have experience life outside of a computer, town, city, country, country and continent. I was taught strongly by a liberal mother about freedoms of speech, care for our fellow human beings, be blind to colour, race and sex and be open to help everyone and I have tried to and continue to try to live my life by these standard but do you know what, much of the time when you do this people will let you down and as time progresses you have less support for those who always seek to do the right thing because sadly they are simply going to get some hard wake up calls.

 

[D.P.]

Not really, groups of people that have distinct physical characteristics are considered a race, what we would term a "breed" when applied to animals of the same species.

Attacking a group of people for a believing in a certain made up God is not racism anymore than attacking people who believe in unicorns.

Yes, people do use the word race to refer to different groups of people with different ethnic, social, linguistic or cultural attributes. Because the word race and racism has no basis in biology, they are used in relation to social-cultural differences.
Attacking people with the same shared social and cultural values is racism, whether you like it or not. Muslims share many such attributes, not least religion. And thus discrimination against Muslims is racism.

 

[D.P.]

Then no one can be racist... if there are no races or only one much like you could not be sexist if there were not at least two sexes.

Biologically speaking, that is exactly right. Therefore The words race and racism have evolved to describe out more enlighten understanding of biology. Different groups of people are not biologically different species, they just have different languages, histories, cultures and societal norms. Racism now refers to discrimination against a group of people with such shared attributes.

If I, as a light skinned English man, physically attack a light skinned male who believes that mohammed was the last prophet of God. Who rode from Arabia to the levant on a winged horse because of that belief is that a subset of racism?

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Was the attack racial motivated? Did you attack him because he cheated on your wife, or because of his social-cultural values including his religion?

 

[chief barker]

Sadly many younger members here, with idolised views of what nations and people are and should aim to be, what is right and wrong and how we should all act, will sadly become embittered to the reality of our world and too will become less open minded, free of spirit and supportive of those today you feel misrepresented. For centuries this has been the case, nothing will change, but life teaches you that a rose tinted view of the whole world is often a wasted emotion because you know what, people are often utter and total ***** be they oppressed or not and your "we are all the same and should be treated the same" is incredibly naïve outside of an ambition that would be great but will never arrive in our life times.

It may sound bitterness of age, but I suspect most people of my age (50) or above will share this view, certainly those who have experience life outside of a computer, town, city, country, country and continent. I was taught strongly by a liberal mother about freedoms of speech, care for our fellow human beings, be blind to colour, race and sex and be open to help everyone and I have tried to and continue to try to live my life by these standard but do you know what, much of the time when you do this people will let you down and as time progresses you have less support for those who always seek to do the right thing because sadly they are simply going to get some hard wake up calls.

Pretty much this.

 

[enkoda]

The problem is idiots that do not understand that Islamophobia is racism.

Islamaphobia: the irrational fear or dislike of Islam.

So, according to you, we aren't even allowed to dislike Islam, we have to accept it with open arms, we must not criticise it or face the consequences?

For example antisemitism is a specific form of racism against Jews.

Would that be because Jews are a race by definition?

 

[Energize]

Yes, people do use the word race to refer to different groups of people with different ethnic, social, linguistic or cultural attributes. Because the word race and racism has no basis in biology, they are used in relation to social-cultural differences.
Attacking people with the same shared social and cultural values is racism, whether you like it or not. Muslims share many such attributes, not least religion. And thus discrimination against Muslims is racism.

As I said there is a biological basis, in biology the term is applied to a distinct population within a species. Shared physical characteristics as a result of genetics, this is a common dictionary definition. Ergo discrimination against Muslims is not racism.

Should we arrest Richard Dawkins for condemning Islam as a racist? Preposterous.

Attacking people for their beliefs is not racism.

 

[Caracus2k]

Was the attack racial motivated? Did you attack him because he cheated on your wife, or because of his social-cultural values including his religion?

I thought I was quite clear as to what my motivation was in this fictional example

'because of that belief'

So is that racism in your book? And if the answer is yes is it also racism if I attack a light skinned English person who believes the son of God was born of a virgin or if I attack someone for believing in Marxist theory for those reasons? And if not to these but yes to the first why?

 

[Housey]

Pretty much this.

Too add it also means we have little or no time for the comment "I am personally offended by your comment, thoughts or attitude". Sure, be offended, but why you believe I should care or be interested is beyond me. Sure, if I attack you then fight the fight and all power to you, but if I have a different opinion that doesn't match yours or doesn't support your own belief system, ethical and moral compass, or simply goes against what you think right, go **** yourself. If you find that offensive, read from the start of this post again.

 

[Caracus2k]

Attacking people with the same shared social and cultural values is racism

If I attack a dark skinned English male who shares similar cultural and social views to me, including the dislike of people with a different skin tone then what would you call that?

 

[Housey]

If I attack a dark skinned English male who shares similar cultural and social views to me, including the dislike of people with a different skin tone then what would you call that?

Interracial porn?

 

[Caracus2k]

Interracial porn?

What sort of porn have you been watching???

 

[D.P.]

As I said there is a biological basis.

Biologists would disagree, you are welcome to your own opinion but it isn't supported by science.

Shared physical characteristics as a result of genetics, this is a common dictionary definition. Ergo this is not racism.

The genetic differences are not significant, and are not what defines the differences between different groups of people.

Should we arrest Richard Dawkins for condemning Islam as a racist? Preposterous.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what racism is. Condemning a religion has nothing to do with racism.

Attacking people for their beliefs is not racism.

Attacking people because they have different linguistic, social, cultural and religious values is racism.

 

[D.P.]

I thought I was quite clear as to what my motivation was in this fictional example

'because of that belief'

So is that racism in your book? And if the answer is yes is it also racism if I attack a light skinned English person who believes the son of God was born of a virgin or if I attack someone for believing in Marxist theory for those reasons? And if not to these but yes to the first why?

Was this light skinned person from Morocco for example, did he speak a different language? You haven't provided sufficient context.

 

[D.P.]

Islamaphobia: the irrational fear or dislike of Islam.

So, according to you, we aren't even allowed to dislike Islam, we have to accept it with open arms, we must not criticize it or face the consequences?

Who said that? You can criticize any religion. Discriminating or abusing people because of their region and cultural values is racism. Islamophobia is the anti-Muslim racism.

Would that be because Jews are a race by definition?

This argument is circular. Biologically they are not a race. Jews just have a different set of beliefs and a culture sourounding that.

 

[Energize]

Biologists would disagree, you are welcome to your own opinion but it isn't supported by science.

Biologists are the ones using the term to refer to a distinct population within the same species, so you must be referring to a different group of biologists to the mainstream ones.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what racism is. Condemning a religion has nothing to do with racism.

I'm glad we agree that condemning Muslims is not racism.

 

[D.P.]

If I attack a dark skinned English male who shares similar cultural and social views to me, including the dislike of people with a different skin tone then what would you call that?

What was the motivation for the attack? Was it because the person was of say African descent?