Guy jailed for writing kill all muslims
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ahar-mustafa-killallwhitemen-tweet-goldsmiths
It's nice to see the 'context' excuse being seen here.... Much like a recent trans model claiming their social media racist rant had been taken out of 'context'
Its the SJW/ BAME version off....
'I'm not a racist but.....'
The law seriously needs to be consistent if it wishes to remain respected to any degree.
Still David Lammy is in effect agitating for certain suspects to be given an easier time in the criminal justice system because they are disproportionatley over represented in his recent report....
It's nice to see the 'context' excuse being seen here.... Much like a recent trans model claiming their social media racist rant had been taken out of 'context'
Its the SJW/ BAME version off....
'I'm not a racist but.....'
The law seriously needs to be consistent if it wishes to remain respected to any degree.
Still David Lammy is in effect agitating for certain suspects to be given an easier time in the criminal justice system because they are disproportionatley over represented in his recent report....
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Don't agree with what she said but context is indeed everything. While there would have been hardly any risk of a SJW actually attacking or killing white men there is rising islamophia* where Muslims (and others perceived to be Muslim) are attacked.
* Insert own special term to describe hating/abusing/attacking/discriminating Muslims...
Outside of psychotic American school shootings few racist/ religious/ political murderers announce their intentions before they embark on a killing spree.
The ramblings of a drunk man do not a credible threat make
Islamophobia is a stupid term used by fools..... It's logically as consistent as claiming someone is a naziophobe
Read the koran and hadith and find out what it prescribes for non believers....
For example according to the koran the West is currently in the 'house of war'. Do you think it's irrational to criticise such a belief?
(maybe someone will pop by to explain how that koran verse has been taken 'out of context'?!)
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Yes you don't really need to tell me about the Quran, read it for about 30 years.
Anyway, I think a prison sentence wasn't really necessary in this case. As for Islamophia it's simply used to describe something. Gets a boring when people complain that 'Islam isn't a race' and 'Islamophobia' doesn't make sense. Well yes ok, but the real concern is people being attacked which is probably more important than semantics. Got better words to use? Go ahead, and perhaps it'll pick up.
Power. Islam has enough power in the UK to result in obviously untrue statements being made by the authorities in order to give it more power and higher legal status.
Which is why writing "Kill Muslims" on Facebook is a serious crime and writing "Kill white men" on Facebook isn't a crime at all - power and legal status of the group being targetted. It's always been that way, although the groups change over time.
I agree with him being punished for inciting group hatred, but not with lies about it and not with the idea that whether or not inciting group hatred matters depends on how much power and status the group has. I'm also not sure about the sentence - a year is a long sentence for an angry rant from someone with no power. I'd need to know more about what he said to the police when they were questioning him to judge the length of the sentence.
Islamophobia is (incorrectly) deployed to refer to both physical attacks on actual or perceived Muslims and also for criticism of a religious ideology.
Physical attacks on Muslims I would call crimes, call them 'hate' crimes if you must. Criticism of the ideas or beliefs of Islam I call fair game as I would call criticism of all ideas and ideologies. I don't support unsolicited verbal abuse of anyone directly but you don't get special protection from hearing any critical view of your beliefs just because they are supernatural.
And I expect drunk comments on social media to be viewed in 'context' when apparently sober people in responsible positions (head of 'diversity' in a student union) can make similar remarks on social media with out any apparent punishment
How about that?
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They targetted another group with high power and status, so they lost on that basis. Same old same old. For an extreme example, in 13th century England there was no legal penalty at all for inciting hatred of Jews but saying the same things about Christians would be a hanging offence.
Why would a group routinely persecuted get any protection under the law? The law which didn't exist for people of non-noble/christian birth.
Not this idiocy again.
Every human, whatever their ethnic back ground, skin color, place of birth, are all part of the same race. The human race
Racism refers to social and cultural differences because there no biologically different races. Unless you think racism should only apply to actions against other animals.
Probably about the same time "banter" changed from taking the **** out of your friends and then returning the favour, to low and high level bullying and abuse of strangers. Apparently the latter is now acceptable because it's "just banter".
Yes, but OcUK would be a far more boring place. It would be practically empty.
Same, but for us things actually WERE better
Said your parents, your grandparents, your great grandparents, (n+1)
So whats your generic name for groups of people that share the same social or cultural background especially when allied to a certain melanin skin count
I. e the generic term for people from different countries is people of different nationalities so what term would you use when you can't just use nationality because you wish to include people of the same group who live elsewhere without the same nationality or need to refer to groups that span across national borders?
As you appear to believe in the 'human race' as being a descriptive term of some relevance can you enlighten me as to whatever other 'races' exist to differentiate themselves from the 'human race'?
To further illustrate my point I could not for example accurately use the term 'African' if I wished only to refer to people with dark skin with heritage from that continent as they may well be themselves or have ancestors from areas where there was ongoing habitation by people of light skin colour before they or their ancestors inhabited the same area in africa as for example is the case in south africa where mainly light skinned Dutch and English settlers were moving into new areas at the same time as the dark skinned people of the zulu's were doing the same?
Trying telling a group light skinned Afrikaners that they are not African and report back how that goes.
Can you please also take your complaint to those who compile English dictionaries....
racist
ˈreɪsɪst/
noun
- 1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
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Out of interest where are you planning on going?
Everywhere is the same, with the exception of the US perhaps, as they do seem to allow extremely questionable views to be expressed (eg the neonazis recently).
Unless of course you're planning on creating your own country?
Unless of course you're planning on creating your own country?
I hear kekistan is nice this time of year! #know your meme
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Depends on context, but anything form people, peoples, community, their nationality, their region, culture etc.
There is nothing wrong with the English dictionary. Dictionary provides translations of common usage, it is not required to be scientifically accurate.
The problem is idiots that do not understand that Islamophobia is racism.
Humans are all part of the same race. that is a hard biological fact. The differences you see between ethnic groups are not differences in biological race. These are largely cultural differences. Discrimination against different ethno-cultrural groups is racisms.
Again please tell me what other 'races' exist beyond the human one? Otherwise the term race is pointless! With the other types of animals on the plantet the correct term in English is 'species'
On the other hand I think that the idiots im this example are the people that conflate opposition to a belief system with racism. Racism and physical attacks on muslims obviously have large overlap on say a Venn diagram but they are not the same as a Muslim can be someone from any background.....
So why say Islamophobia of we can more accurately use a term like racism?