Boy removed from school in transgender rights row

I don't think anyone has a problem with someone who was born with none or both sexual organs identifying as either.

TBH I don't think most people have a problem with transgenders at all. But just accept it is a mental illness and treat it as such.

I then think the vast majority of people have a problem when kids are involved. Already had one post this week with a young boy who transitioned and wants to change back after two years.

Being treated like some kind of fashion gimmick.
I wont question your deep knowledge of these individuals or families/social structures involved, I personally know very little about the circumstances.
 
Paul and Jesus both explicitly state that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect. Paul spends several chapters explaining this in at least two of his epistles.
But he also decries homosexuality to a degree, and has a lot to say about haircuts and hats... I forget whether he mentions clothes as well.
 
Two years ago they removed their eldest son from the same school in a separate row about a different transgender child.
<Red alert klaxon>

As always with this 'Think of the children' crap, it's the adults who have the issue and cause the problem. 'Jim is a boy on some days and a girl on others' is the type of thing that a five-year-old would easily accept after a bit of explanation; they aren't saddled with a lifetime of preconceived notions or outright prejudice.
 
Putting that story aside I was quite confused my self. I was always under the impression "transgender" people we're a group of people that felt they were born the wrong sex, which was realised while growing up and then tried to rectify it later life.

Not something a 6-year-old would be able to decide. Unless it's just the new cool thing to do in order for the child to be completely neutral in terms of boy and girls, which I don't quite understand how it benefits anyone either other than the hardcore politically correct crowd. I mean what problem with accepting that we are a two sex race? It's nothing to be ashamed of and has been the case since day 1.
 
Putting that story aside I was quite confused my self. I was always under the impression "transgender" people we're a group of people that felt they were born the wrong sex, which was realised while growing up and then tried to rectify it later life.

Not something a 6-year-old would be able to decide. Unless it's just the new cool thing to do in order for the child to be completely neutral in terms of boy and girls, which I don't quite understand how it benefits anyone either other than the hardcore politically correct crowd. I mean what problem with accepting that we are a two sex race? It's nothing to be ashamed of and has been the case since day 1.
Not sure how many times we have to discuss that there is clear evidence that the line between the sexes can be indistinguishable or that gender is complex to define.

on the clothing aspects, presumably we understand eddie izzard did go to school?
 
Well there is clear evidence that sex and gender are not simple to assign by any measure, there is no evidence that god or hell exists so it's hard to square your false equivalence here.
But you think that either of these topics are suitable for discussion with a 6 year old who is barely able to tie his own shoelaces let alone understand the nuances of transgenderism or theology!

Ridiculous.

The problem has never been about whether religion is right or wrong, or whether gender identity is real or not. The problem is that some people believe that 6 year old kids should be exposed to it and some people don't.
 
<Red alert klaxon>

As always with this 'Think of the children' crap, it's the adults who have the issue and cause the problem. 'Jim is a boy on some days and a girl on others' is the type of thing that a five-year-old would easily accept after a bit of explanation; they aren't saddled with a lifetime of preconceived notions or outright prejudice.

This country is going to be a lot like of the places in America. All these people are going to end up with psychiatrists regularly with all this mental depression. Will be interesting to see in 7 - 10 years from now.
 
<Red alert klaxon>

As always with this 'Think of the children' crap, it's the adults who have the issue and cause the problem. 'Jim is a boy on some days and a girl on others' is the type of thing that a five-year-old would easily accept after a bit of explanation; they aren't saddled with a lifetime of preconceived notions or outright prejudice.
The fact people are trying to make it seem normal that someone could possibly think they change gender from day to day is what's worrying. Sounds like a severe mental illness that should be treated not encouraged
 
But you think that either of these topics are suitable for discussion with a 6 year old who is barely able to tie his own shoelaces let alone understand the nuances of transgenderism or theology!

Ridiculous.

The problem has never been about whether religion is right or wrong, or whether gender identity is real or not. The problem is that some people believe that 6 year old kids should be exposed to it and some people don't.

your assumption may or maynot be correct about how a 6 year old has gender issues although pretty much all humans discuss gender around children. Not all humans discuss un evidenced eternal damnation, thank dog :)
 
your assumption may or maynot be correct about how a 6 year old has gender issues although pretty much all humans discuss gender around children. Not all humans discuss un evidenced eternal damnation, thank dog :)
No, but they do discuss life and death. I myself have two children aged 6 and 8 who have suffered a number of bereavements. As parents we should all be trying to do our best. The best we can do is arm our children with facts, BUT only at a time that they are fully able to comprehend those facts.
 
No, but they do discuss life and death. I myself have two children aged 6 and 8 who have suffered a number of bereavements. As parents we should all be trying to do our best. The best we can do is arm our children with facts, BUT only at a time that they are fully able to comprehend those facts.
life and death has a basis in evidence as does sex!
 
No, but they do discuss life and death. I myself have two children aged 6 and 8 who have suffered a number of bereavements. As parents we should all be trying to do our best. The best we can do is arm our children with facts, BUT only at a time that they are fully able to comprehend those facts.

Surely the facts in this case are "Some children sometimes want to be girls, sometimes they want to be boys, it is unusual but nothing to worry about." Rather than "I shall not let you go to school with such an abomination!"
 
If you are making sweeping statements I'd advise you start with your knowledge of the individual and work outwards.

Ok.

The kids six. I would question what a six year old actually understands about sex/ gender/ sexuality. Think they are really in an informed position to declare they have been born in the wrong body?

Think family make up is irrelevant. The parents can be cis heterosexuals, gender fluid, gay, identify as apache helicopters, non-binary, whatever next. The kid is six.

Moving onto society. Let's start with you, well volunteered.

Do you have a problem with transgenders?
Do you have a problem with young kids being exposed to this at such a young age and in some cases encouraged/ supported to transgender?
 
life and death has a basis in evidence as does sex!
But we explain to our children that "granny went to heaven". Even if we don't personally believe it because we believe that it's in the best interests of our children to broach that subject at a later date.

Pretty much everything culture on earth has developed some sort of belief system regarding mortality. Are they all wrong? Are they all deluded? Is their a scientific, biological reason for this?

My argument all along on this topic is not that someone thinks they are not the sex they are born with but that it involves children of a very young age.

Anyway I've got to go out now so it's not me being rude if I don't continue this conversation.
 
Not sure how many times we have to discuss that there is clear evidence that the line between the sexes can be indistinguishable or that gender is complex to define.

on the clothing aspects, presumably we understand eddie izzard did go to school?


I fully understand that in certain cases it can be scientifically difficult to define the sex and gender. But that's not the case here, this child is being brought up believing there is no difference between the sexes. My concern would be when the child grows up and possibly ends up with a great resentment about the way his childhood/life?? choices were forced upon him. I have no problem with people discovering they are transgender, I just don't agree it should be forced on you from birth

The clothing aspect is almost irrelevant, it's more to do with the bigger picture.


Failing that glad to report I'm clearly out of touch with the modern world
 
Ok.

The kids six. I would question what a six year old actually understands about sex/ gender/ sexuality. Think they are really in an informed position to declare they have been born in the wrong body?

Think family make up is irrelevant. The parents can be cis heterosexuals, gender fluid, gay, identify as apache helicopters, non-binary, whatever next. The kid is six.

Moving onto society. Let's start with you, well volunteered.

Do you have a problem with transgenders?
Do you have a problem with young kids being exposed to this at such a young age and in some cases encouraged/ supported to transgender?

So basically you don't have specific insight beyond a belief that this shouldn't be around 6 year old kids and a newspaper article.

Do I have a problem with ALL transgender people, I genuinely don't know, are we to assume the reasons for all people changing their gender are identical, you might as well ask do I have a problem with all men, women, blue eyed people.
What are the young people being exposed to?

Dressing in female/male clothes is an interesting point, when I was at school I lobbied to get into the netball team at 10 just to put teachers in a meltdown, played one game and quit. :)
 
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