Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

Rroff · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:02

Skillmister said:
Wow BBC has just changed from 2 dead to 20+

Awhile back a supposed (internal) update from the emergency response listed 22 killed and something like 12 critical and 85 wounded non-critical.

MookJong · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:05

I can envision the US restricting open air events overlooked by tall buildings before a weapons ban.

Uther · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:06

NRA will say it's all fine and freedom to own machine guns is worth the cost.

Mark A · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:08

RIP

. I bet the gun lovers will be saying this would have been wrapped up in a few seconds if everyone at the concert was armed :rolleyes:

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Craterloads · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:09

Asian female they are looking for I'm assuming is (I can't think of the correct term) oriental Asian as I remember reading Asian in the UK and US differ?

XeNoN89 · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:09

Uther said:
NRA will stay say it's all fine and freedom to own machine guns is worth the cost.

They will probably recommend arming festival goers with sniper rifles so they can pick shooters on balconies in the future.

deuse · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:09

People here do know that fully automatic weapons are banned in the USA? or do they just come to the last page and make themselves look silly?

Mark A · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:11

deuse said:
People here do know that fully automatic weapons are banned in the USA? or do they just come to the last page and make themselves look silly?

The ammo isnt though...

CREATIVE!11 · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:13

Uther said:
NRA will say it's all fine and freedom to own machine guns is worth the cost.

Yep, lobbyists who pay millions upon millions every year to effectively bribe the government will be along as normal to ensure politicians ignore it.

balky12 · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:13

deuse said:
People here do know that fully automatic weapons are banned in the USA? or do they just come to the last page and make themselves look silly?

Whilst true I don't think it really matters? Assault rifle on semi automatic or automatic still can equate to a massive loss of life fairly easily and quickly.

The main feeling is the ease of ownership regardless of firing mode.

Vertigo · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:17

Kronos said:
Tragic as this undoubtedly is it is hardly news. Data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive reveals a shocking human toll: there is a mass shooting – defined as four or more people shot in one incident, not including the shooter – on five out of every six days, on average. There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, it is what Americans do.

The only major surprise is that Trump hasn't yet blamed Muslims.

Vertigo · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:18

deuse said:
People here do know that fully automatic weapons are banned in the USA? or do they just come to the last page and make themselves look silly?

Can some semi-autos not be fairly easily converted to full though? Genuine question as I'm not sure.

deuse · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:18

balky12 said:
Whilst true I don't think it really matters? Assault rifle on semi automatic or automatic still can equate to a massive loss of life fairly easily and quickly.

The main feeling is the ease of ownership regardless of firing mode.

But it's not easy to go a buy a smi auto as it comes under federal law not local law.

deuse · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:19

Vertigo1 said:
Can some semi-autos not be fairly easily converted to full though? Genuine question as I'm not sure.

Go and google and come back and tell us all. I have no idea.

Rroff · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:20

deuse said:
People here do know that fully automatic weapons are banned in the USA? or do they just come to the last page and make themselves look silly?

Fair few legacy aspects to that and it isn't impossible to get around - I know a guy in Pennsylvania with an arsenal a small country would be proud of including several legally held fully automatic ARs.

FuriousGeorge · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:21

deuse said:
Go and google and come back and tell us all. I have no idea.

They can, theres a lot of stuff on youtube of people shooting them, or converting them tbh.

Roar87 · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:22

It's completely pointless debating American gun laws, you're more likely to change the laws of physics than the right to bear arms.

Rroff · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:22

Vertigo1 said:
Can some semi-autos not be fairly easily converted to full though? Genuine question as I'm not sure.

Even if they can't be converted there are things like "bump fire" kits.

deuse · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:23

Rroff said:
Fair few legacy aspects to that and it isn't impossible to get around - I know a guy in Pennsylvania with an arsenal a small country would be proud of including several legally held fully automatic ARs.

Yes. But the guns would to be registered under the National Firearms Act in Pennsylvania. And they need to be pre 1986 weapons.

adolf hamster · 2 Oct 2017 at 10:23

IronWarrior said:
f anyone wasn't aware, fully automatic weapons are banned in the USA.

The only way to get access to them is to jump through many hoops and checks upon checks and a ton of money, a real ton of money to finally buy one.

CONFIRMED: One suspect down

https://twitter.com/LVMPD/status/914746328500117504

fully automatic weapons have never been illegal for civilians to own, it's just they banned the manufacture of new automatic weapons for civilian sale/transfer since 1986, so any gun manufactured and then registered before then can still be transferred on the used market, with a hefty premium of course due to the now finite supply. registered firearms dealers can still obtain new manufactured automatic weapons but they can only be transferred between licensed dealers and never sold to the general public.

so whoever was behind the shooting either has a lot of money, or has owned his fully automatic weapon since before 1986 (and the subsequent price hikes), although it's equally possible he's illegally modified a semi automatic version into fully automatic (whilst that's no mean feat it is possible, in the same way manufacturing an entire gun yourself is also possible)

that said, semi automatic weapons are far less regulated and relatively easy to come across (state dependant), and semi automatic is still extremely effective both in military and civilian contexts.

it does of course go without saying that this kind of thing would be considerably more difficult with stricter firearm control as seen in (insert european country here)