Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

Tombstone · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:19

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Weapons like this have no place in a evolved and civilised society

Unfortunately, despite how much we may think it, we are far from an evolved and civilised society, quite the opposite really when it gets down to it.

LOAM · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:21

FTM said:
nothing will change....people are prepared to sacrifice a few hundred people a year to keep hold of their guns...thats the reality in America

Its somewhat more than a few hundred.

Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted.

So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the country. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the War of Independence to Iraq.

The bold section is simply an insane statistic.

source

Roar87 · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:21

Evangelion said:
Expect screams of rage from the Breitbart crowd when they realise they can't blame this on Islamic terrorism.

Why are you trying to turn this into a Political debate? So far we've seen the absolute NEED to label it as terrorism when it is in fact a mass shooting conducted by a American citizen with no apparent Political or Religious motivations, people are trying to use it as an excuse to attack Trump, you're now trying to say people wanted to blame Islamic terrorism. No one wants to blame anything, it might be a fairly reasonable thought to have though given the amount of attacks over the past few years

One More Solo · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:25

robfosters said:
That’s a bit harsh. Rottys only saying he should have been there. I don’t see how he’s linking himself as you say. Can’t even say something simple without being jumped on any more.

Like I said, it adds nothing to the discussion.

Sankari · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:25

Just a reminder of what's legal in the USA...

C.R.A.Z.Y · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:26

Nonsense, the usual suspects/bigots at the start of the thread were chucking around the usual and boringly predictable 'damn those atheists again' 'religion of peace' ....etc ...etc :rolleyes:

XeNoN89 · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:27

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Nonsense, the usual suspects/bigots at the start of the thread were chucking around the usual and boringly predictable 'damn those atheists again' 'religion of peace' ....etc ...etc

Shootings in America are one of the places I don't assume terrorism straight away due to their ridiculous laws. If this was anywhere in Europe I would have guessed terrorism

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:31

You need a full blow assault weapon to defend yourself obviously, "home defence" and all that

I mean its just as well the phase plasma rifles inter 40 watt range aren't widely available

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIPCn-aYMoM

Avenged7Fold · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:32

One More Solo said:
Like I said, it adds nothing to the discussion.

Like that has been a requirement for posting in GD

IMO its a few steps up from some of the other posts in here looking to take some sort of religious or political dig and a totally normal reaction even if it adds nothing in terms of content.

Craterloads · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:32

Roar87 said:
Why are you trying to turn this into a Political debate? So far we've seen the absolute NEED to label it as terrorism when it is in fact a mass shooting conducted by a American citizen with no apparent Political or Religious motivations, people are trying to use it as an excuse to attack Trump, you're now trying to say people wanted to blame Islamic terrorism. No one wants to blame anything, it might be a fairly reasonable thought to have though given the amount of attacks over the past few years

That's not quite true though as the alt right have been bending over backwards to try to link this attack to terrosim of one particular kind. Just have to look at r/trump to see that, going as far as showing a picture of the lady in Dubai holidaying as evidence etc he's right in his statement, the breitbard crowd and alt right in general wanted this and did their best to link it to Islamic terrorism.

Tefal · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:35

Tombstone said:
Unfortunately, despite how much we may think it, we are far from an evolved and civilised society, quite the opposite really when it gets down to it.

well no that's just nonsense

Abraxaz1 · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:36

FTM said:
nothing will change....people are prepared to sacrifice a few hundred people a year to keep hold of their guns...thats the reality in America

Eh, more like 13,000 plus a year attributed to firearm relates deaths plus another 30000 ish injured.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org for data and year on year it's getting worse

Skillmister · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:37

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
No condemnation of the vile murderer though

Oh no, he must support them then! I don't see the need for people to go out and specifically condemn attackers it's pretty ******* obvious it's inferred.

antijoke · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:39

Tefal said:
well no that's just nonsense

Is it?

MookJong · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:40

Deepest Donald, the word is deepest!

Uther · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:40

50+ dead now! :eek:

Jono8 · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:40

Skillmister said:
Oh no, he must support them then! I don't see the need for people to go out and specifically condemn attackers it's pretty ******* obvious it's inferred.

I think he was pointing out that if this was an Islamic terrorist attack, Trump would be immediately going mental about it in terms of the Muslim ban, keeping America safe etc etc.

Of course if Trump could provide evidence that if the Muslim population of America was replaced with white home grown Americans there would be less mass shootings/terrorist attacks then that would be great....unfortunately he won't be able to.

jaffveyda · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:42

Uther said:
50+ dead now!

So sad and infuriating that those low life are attacking people when they are out enjoying life.

MookJong · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:42

This is going to be a test for Trump, I can't think of any US event to match this since 9/11. The fact that there is a huge amount of visceral footage means this one isn't going away anytime soon.

One More Solo · 2 Oct 2017 at 12:42

Avenged7Fold said:
Like that has been a requirement for posting in GD

IMO its a few steps up from some of the other posts in here looking to take some sort of religious or political dig and a totally normal reaction even if it adds nothing in terms of content.

I'll give you that. I still find it a strange and unnecessary (if not uncommon) reaction.