Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

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I'm sure I also mentioned the stratosphere hotel too?

so what?

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...expert-says-mandalay-bay-was-soft-target.html

UCLA Professor Adam Winkler, a gun law expert who’s been cited in landmark Supreme Court cases, told SWNS that the lack of security at hotels means weapons could easily be taken into the building.

"Most hotels in the United States do not have metal detectors. Anyone can walk into a hotel with firearms without being detected. Firearms in a suitcase would also easily get past any hotel security,” he said.
 
A soft target, suprised they didn't have even basic security like metal detectors or screening of luggage especially with the terror threat and mass shooting threats over there...
 
A soft target, suprised they didn't have even basic security like metal detectors or screening of luggage especially with the terror threat and mass shooting threats over there...

well clearly you're a bit clueless about Vegas then as it really isn't surprising at all as most hotels don't... save for your cherry picked trial and some half arsed implementation mentioned in a bit of PR at the most exclusive resort... oh and apparently the Stratosphere these days? - which is in a very scummy area
 
I bet you within 6 months they will have metal detectors.

as in legislation - all hotels in Vegas will have metal detectors? Or do you mean you'll be able to cherry pick a couple more examples of hotels trailing them or claiming to have some sort of half arsed detection system in place even though they're clearly not checking people individually and people aren't getting patted down because their belt, mobile, keys etc.. is setting the thing off
 
I live in India and the security at five star hotels is a joke and a fraud. It's there to give the illusion to its guests that it's safe but in reality the checks are not existent.

It's a box ticking exercise by the staff.i have yet to be seriously checked like I am at an airport.

And with the car checking? All they do is ask you to pop the bonnet or the boot and if you are lucky run a mirror under your car....some might even have a dog. The interior of your car is never checked...like never. So in short if you want to smuggle a firearm into an Indian hotel, put it under your seat or in your glove box.

You may find it’s a very different matter if you’re not a well dressed local/western tourist and/or they suspect you in any way.

I’ve stayed in a few hotels in North Africa and other places where I/we have breezed through the metal detectors (or just been sent round them) without stopping as they beep, whereas non westerners were thoroughly searched when they went through.

At a bet even if the hotels on the strip end up installing machines at entrances that’ll be similar to the way they will act. Unless you look suspicious they’ll ignore it all. The whole “excuse me sir, you’ve been selected for further searches, just at random”.

TBH it’s probablu not far off what many of them do already, with “soft” security rather than “hard” security like airports.

Unfortunately a system like that is unlikely to pick up the affluent “pensioner” that isn’t sweating and standing out like a sore thumb. Not that I’m suggesting anything about the hotels security.

The amount of passing trade they would lose if they instigated hard checks on everyone that entered and exited would be very high, especially if a queue started to form.

They don't need to be comparable to airport security I've stated this three times, the measures I've mentioned are not intrusive and apt for these kinds of threats. You said they aren't used at all and to comeback and correct you when they were, I've shown you they all ready are. The hotel in question is high profile as it gets, I'm very suprised they didn't have even basic security like metal detectors. Airports deal with many more people and they operate smoothly, just fine with much stricter security, they have queues because it is much stricter so hotels just having scanners shouldn't be a issue.

Anyhow time for bed, I suspect we will see stricter security across vegas as with what happened with Mumbai hotels after their attack. I can see metal detectors being part of it.

Have you been to Vegas? Do you know how many entrances and exits most of these casino/hotels have, and/or how large they are?

Having individual metal detectors with people monitoring and checking everyone that sets them off would be a pretty massive task and change the way people move into and around casinos massively, not to mention the aesthetics, which are a pretty important part of the whole atmosphere.
 
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Have you been to Vegas? Do you know how many entrances and exits most of these casino/hotels have, and/or how large they are?

Having individual metal detectors with people monitoring and checking everyone that sets them off would be a pretty massive task and change the way people move into and around casinos massively, not to mention the aesthetics, which are a pretty important part of the whole atmosphere.

They have scanners that do a similar job autonomously like the system used at westgate vegas hotel. I'm assuming they would looking for weapons only so wouldn't need to stop everyone carrying quarters.
 
They have scanners that do a similar job autonomously like the system used at westgate vegas hotel. I'm assuming they would looking for weapons only so wouldn't need to stop everyone carrying quarters.

not even remotely similar - if they were then plenty of airports would be super keen to adopt them and reduce queuing times for departures
 
Airports face different threats and have stricter regulation. Anyhow like I said I bet you within 6 months, keen?

I doubt they'll have airport style checks... whether they have some PR claim to 'metal detectors' that aren't visible and Navy Seals behind the scenes etc.. I don't really have an opinion on as we have no idea really how effective such a system is - personally I'd be skeptical... you've clearly never been to Vegas but I know full well that my belt, keys etc.. would set off an airport scanner whereas no one has ever stopped me walking into the Wynn after setting off the super secret hidden detectors while in possession of the same

perhaps they do have some magical advanced systems and when multiple people walk in at once they can magically detect which individual set off the secret alarm and needs to be checked for guns all while distinguishing between other metallic objects that every other person is carrying (such as keys, belts etc..) and the super secret navy seal team Wynn has now decided to reveal will all swoop in.... call me skeptical but I think there is a lot of marketing behind these claims... maybe a big suitcase full of weapons will set it off maybe someone can get a gun in... who knows. No one is queuing up in single file or regularly getting a pat down anyway.
 
The query you responded to was metal detectors not airport type security, don't move goal posts. He's not now decided to reveal by the way that interview was from 2016...
 
The query you responded to was metal detectors not airport type security, don't move goal posts. He's not now decided to reveal by the way that interview was from 2016...

I'm not moving goalposts, you mentioned airports not me, I've just pointed out why such a level of security would be unlikely in Vegas.
 
A soft target, suprised they didn't have even basic security like metal detectors or screening of luggage especially with the terror threat and mass shooting threats over there...


but the hotel wasnt the target.

seriously though. metal detector would be useless for suitcases as every single one would set it off

What do you mean? It shows the type of person Marilou Danley was, no?


no idea they won't open what the he'll are they?
 
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And I've told you numerous times why I mentioned airports and numerous times that airport level security isn't required yet you continue to latch on to something that's been removed from the debate numerous times, I wonder why.

And magical you say, more like science

https://patriot1tech.com/solutions/patscan-data-sheet/

I'm not latching onto it, you brought it up and are still commenting on it I just commented on it and pointed out why it would likely not be wanted by Casino owners - you've repeatedly tried some flawed argument that it would be fine because airports also deal with lots of people. If you want to move away from the silly airport argument then that's fine with me.

As for the second link - is that what is in the Wynn? How does that tell the security guys which of the multiple people entering the property at once set off the secret alarm?
 
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The fact that people quote these obvious rule breaks only makes it harder. Can I ask that you report anything and leave the mods clean it up. If you wish to quote them censor the post or it will get deleted along with the original.
 
Rate of fire doesn't match up with an M16 at full rate of fire anyhow. Hard to say really beyond that. The delay between volleys is longer than a quick mag change so could be right about being belt fed or a drum mag.

Having seen the video again I now think it is likely at least one of the guns was an AR with a drum mag and a gat crank, which is a little device that goes in the trigger gaurd to make a semi auto fire faster. It gives a slower rate of fire than a proper full auto and if you listen carefully the rate of fire is slightly inconsistent, which is him being slightly inconsistent with cranking the handle.
 
Jesus, I'm not implicating him. Stephen Paddock murdered those people, Marilou Danley is married to Geary Danley. You have in the video above the sheriff saying they are trying to track down Marilou, why do you think they want to speak to her?

Because her ID was in the hotel room? That would be a pretty good reason to want to speak to her.

Although initially they assumed she was in the hotel room and perhaps assisted him but it turns out she is abroad and has been for days.
 
Having seen the video again I now think it is likely at least one of the guns was an AR with a drum mag and a gat crank, which is a little device that goes in the trigger gaurd to make a semi auto fire faster. It gives a slower rate of fire than a proper full auto and if you listen carefully the rate of fire is slightly inconsistent, which is him being slightly inconsistent with cranking the handle.

Not enough info to be sure really - could have just been he paused to adjust aim due to recoil or whatever. Largely I suspect some kind of modification or automation of the semi-auto functionality was used.
 
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