Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

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Avenged7Fold said:
For a ban on certain guns to be effective you need to do a lot more than pass a law. The views of the people need to change and they not only have to assist in removing these weapons from society by handing theirs in but also curb the demand for these weapons. If you make these guns illegal overnight without changing the gun culture and with so many of these guns in circulation already, you only provide a circumstances where people willing to trade in these weapons can thrive. It is little different from making a popular drug illegal in a country where it is socially acceptable and readily available through illegal means.

I am all for banning these silly modifications and heavy duty weapons but without the American people wanting the same, somehow magicking these restrictions through the house wont do much good.
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In this case he supposedly (though it doesn't seem confirmed) bought a lot of firearms in a short space of time including equipment and attachments that would/should have raised eyebrows. Just having a better approach to stuff like that would reduce the potential for these kind of acts - though ultimately if someone is hell bent on it they will find a way even if it is using things like vehicles or bombs, etc.
 
Tefal said:
I dunno they're now arguing over the wuality of sex toy reviews.

I think its just mentalist now
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Hang on a minute.

Deuse posted something that has nothing to do with the Vegas incident, I fact checked it and it wasn't true and now I am the idiot lefty derailing the thread because I opposed some fake news?
 
jsmoke said:
As someone already said how would you go about banning 100's of millions of guns. Guns are there to stay.
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like I said before over the course of decades lots of small chsnges.


one year, maybe limit new magazine capacity sales to 20 rounds. gonna be hsrd to argue a valid need for 100 round box mags for hunting.


another year ban the same of new semi auto rifles requiring them to be straight pull or bolt and unforgettable (means you can still have ar15 clones but no longer a bump stock mod)

again very hard to argue you need rapid follow up shots for your hunting.

another year you say all new pistols must be longer thsn say 6" thus making them rather impractical for day to day carry.

another year s limit of say only 10 rounds to any magazine this makes the sale of anything for glocks etc illegal making the old pistols less useful

over time the grandfathered guns keep getting fewer due to wear and damage magazines especislly do not last forever (especially if you ban components for larger mags so people csbt get new springs etc)

slowly guns get expensive, canabalised to keep collections functional and less and less cool as fewer current people use them.

every move you make you chose methods thst make it very hard to argue against because the only reason youd need those features is if you plan on fighting humans with that weapon

also you don't have to ban stuff sinply make it unprofitable.

a tax on "military calibers" could be pushed with good publicity aimed at 5.56 or 7.62 ammunition reducing sales etc and places like Wal-Mart would start to drop them.
 
VincentHanna said:
Hang on a minute.

Deuse posted something that has nothing to do with the Vegas incident, I fact checked it and it wasn't true and now I am the idiot lefty derailing the thread because I opposed some fake news?
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because you're even engaging him over it tbh
 
Tefal said:
like I said before over the course of decades lots of small chsnges.


one year, maybe limit new magazine capacity sales to 20 rounds. gonna be hsrd to argue a valid need for 100 round box mags for hunting.


another year ban the same of new semi auto rifles requiring them to be straight pull or bolt and unforgettable (means you can still have ar15 clones but no longer a bump stock mod)

again very hard to argue you need rapid follow up shots for your hunting.

another year you say all new pistols must be longer thsn say 6" thus making them rather impractical for day to day carry.

another year s limit of say only 10 rounds to any magazine this makes the sale of anything for glocks etc illegal making the old pistols less useful

over time the grandfathered guns keep getting fewer due to wear and damage magazines especislly do not last forever (especially if you ban components for larger mags so people csbt get new springs etc)

slowly guns get expensive, canabalised to keep collections functional and less and less cool as fewer current people use them.

every move you make you chose methods thst make it very hard to argue against because the only reason youd need those features is if you plan on fighting humans with that weapon

also you don't have to ban stuff sinply make it unprofitable.

a tax on "military calibers" could be pushed with good publicity aimed at 5.56 or 7.62 ammunition reducing sales etc and places like Wal-Mart would start to drop them.
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This is exactly why pro gun people oppose any small changes, because of people like you with these ideas. If you wonder why they fight tooth and nail against what could seemingly be sensible changes such as banning suppressors or high cap magazines then the above is why.
 
Roar87 said:
This is exactly why pro gun people oppose any small changes, because of people like you with these ideas. If you wonder why they fight tooth and nail against what could seemingly be sensible changes such as banning suppressors or high cap magazines then the above is why.
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but they have no real argument other than "I want to pretend to be a solider"
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah, that's not how silencer works, you can still hear the guns. They're called suppressors also.
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You must have missed the part where I said I know, following that post(the one I made right before the one you quoted) I took to youtube and looked up an AR 15 with a suppresor on (i've already seen plenty of videos of other weapons with them on). Right above that post you quoted but you ignored that one. Literally a handful of posts up from it and you choose to then quote that one and give me your "Expert" opinion lol.

Reading isn't your strong point. We all know already though so it's fine mr weapons expert.
 
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deuse said:
George W. Bush: 2001-2009 (8 years) 20 mass murders
Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 5

Barrack H. Obama: 2009-2015 (in 7th year) 162 mass murders
Incidents with 8 or more deaths = 18

I wonder what changed between 2009-2015?
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lawl
Talk about arrogant, you have been proven wrong and shown to be spreading fake disingenuous information, rather than doing the honourable thing and admitting it whilst removing the false information you double down instead!!
You know you have lost the argument and have absolutely NOTHING when rather than debunking the information you attack the source with meaningless dribble!! Shameful (But then again it's deuse so I'm not surprised)

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Source = The Most Misleading Charts Of 2015
 
Dis86 said:
It's become the usual left vs right idiotfest.
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It really hasn't. It's become a debate about gun control, which was entirely predictable.

But hey, as threads on here grow longer they all descend into accusations of left vs right idiocy even if they aren't.
 
jsmoke said:
As someone already said how would you go about banning 100's of millions of guns. Guns are there to stay.
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Month 1 - You Ban the sale of guns
Month 1 - You have a government scheme to buy back guns @ a fixed price no matter the gun
Month 6 - You have a gun amnesty, scheme to buy back guns @ fixed priced ends.
Month 12 - It becomes illegal to own handguns, semi autos, Lets just copy the UK gun laws for example.

Add heavy sentence both monetary and prison for offenders.

See guns banned in one year.

The USA is becoming more and more a laughing stock than it already is.
 
SPG said:
Month 1 - You Ban the sale of guns
Month 1 - You have a government scheme to buy back guns @ a fixed price no matter the gun
Month 6 - You have a gun amnesty, scheme to buy back guns @ fixed priced ends.
Month 12 - It becomes illegal to own handguns, semi autos, Lets just copy the UK gun laws for example.

Add heavy sentence both monetary and prison for offenders.

See guns banned in one year.

The USA is becoming more and more a laughing stock than it already is.
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Yep, this approach worked for Australia. I would even support people still having guns if they follow their significantly stricter licensing model. If you're a genuine gun enthusiast then much tighter regulation and making you jump through multiple hoops to obtain and keep a gun licence shouldn't be a barrier to ownership. They need to totally remove the concept that owning a gun for self defense is acceptable, it should be for hunting and sport and nothing else, with the type of guns permissible limited accordingly.

I can't understand a single reason why bump stocks exist, their sole purpose is to circumvent the law and enable people to spray bullets around at greater speed with less accuracy. It's crazy.
 
Americans are killing each other faster than war has ever done:

Since the mass shooting in Las Vegas, proponents of tougher gun control laws have touted the statistic that there have been more American civilian deaths since 1968 due to privately owned firearms than from all American military conflicts combined.

Why it matters: It's important to understand the statistics as a whole when looking for solutions to gun violence, while also acknowledging the mavity of the horror in Las Vegas.
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(Source).

But gun laws are bad, m'kay?
 
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