The Deep Net

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I have an keen interest in the Deep net, I have watched some clips on Youtube, in fact I have probably seen all of them..I get the impression from the clips that if you try and access the Deep Net without the proper Browser (Tor) your computer goes bang and all the wheels fall off !!! Any one been on there ?

I am interested in taking a look myself but would like to here from somebody who has already taken a look. I would just like to add that this is pure curiosity, I have NO intentions of doing anything illegal. I also have an old PC so I dont really care if the wheels do fall off.

Admins if this post is not allowed or this is a taboo subject please feel free to delete, just drop me a message so I dont spend hours trying to find this post.

Thanks guys
 
There isn't exactly a defined deep/dark net versus normal net as such - TOR is but one step inside something much bigger and more complex and largely a lot less than the mystique - although commonly to access areas of the internet of that kind of nature you need to use some kind of program to facilitate communications other than the normal HTTP mechanics, etc.

For instance back in the day, when it was fun and experimental before it was taken over by people with other intentions, I was aware of a project to create a system that sat underneath a normal IRC network - without even the people running the IRC network necessarily knowing about it - where all traffic masqueraded as part of normal IRC protocol traffic which could be used for file sharing and serving web pages, etc.
 
Rroff said:
There isn't exactly a defined deep/dark net versus normal net as such - TOR is but one step inside something much bigger and more complex and largely a lot less than the mystique - although commonly to access areas of the internet of that kind of nature you need to use some kind of program to facilitate communications other than the normal HTTP mechanics, etc.

For instance back in the day, when it was fun and experimental before it was taken over by people with other intentions, I was aware of a project to create a system that sat underneath a normal IRC network - without even the people running the IRC network necessarily knowing about it - where all traffic masqueraded as part of normal IRC protocol traffic which could be used for file sharing and serving web pages, etc.
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Had IRC channels in the mid-late 90's where things like file transfer were quite common. Someone would be able to drop a .wav sound clip in chat, there would be an auto "get file" type box transfer a copy of it (objective being next time someone "played" that sound, you'd also hear it as the local copy would be played).
This what you mean or something less overt?
 
Tor is funded in part by the US government to help people communicate anonymously without interference from "hostile" governments. Another part of the US government is trying to shut it down/compromise it so those wanting to communicate without interference from the US government can't use it.

The vast majority of the dark web isn't illegal websites and TBH it's unlikely you'll stumble across anything illegal unless you go looking for it. It's the usual media hyperbole, although unless you have a reason to use it I'm not sure what the point of going on it really is.
 
Mercutio said:
This what you mean or something less overt?
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This was something far less overt and required extra software or scripts for a client as well as the IRC client. Originally I believe it was started to hide DCC file transfers should there be a big copyright clamp down but it kind of faded out with the emergence of TOR - though I suspect there are some using it even today but I have no idea even how to access it these days.

EDIT: Wasn't just for file transfers - anyone could serve web pages from it, etc. via using it as a proxy.
 
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I visited the TOR network many years ago, long before people started using terms such as "deep web/dark net", or even knew such a place existed. I visited purely out of curiosity, and spent as little time there as possible.

The Silk Road website was an eye-opener, it was mostly people selling drugs, but there were other services such as mercenaries/assassins for hire, prostitution, and snuff porn. There were websites that were clearly 4chan-level roleplay, such as a blog about a guy who kidnapped women, amputated their limbs, and using wires and splints would turn them into living furniture that he would feed and keep alive in perpetual torture. Another site I visited was a business selling corpses (kept on ice) to be sold to scientists and/or necrophiles.

I think a lot of the content on the TOR network is roleplay designed to scare normal people, there is illegal material on there, however it just feels like a less-moderated early-4chan for the most part. There isn't much that will scare the seasoned internet veteran, who has already seen and heard most of the shock-value content the internet has had to offer over the years.
 
Deep web and dark web are two different things.

Deep web is stuff that's on the clear web but not indexed by normal search engines and requires special search engines

The Dark web is the Tor broswer based web that has special addresses that the clear web browser can not interpret.
 
and you just D/L Tor, fire it up and away you go ?? So the anonymity thing, the whole web is encrypted, its not that you have to be anonymous to go on there (because of hackers and alike) but iits encrypted ANYWAY... haha Im starting to get it now.
 
Lartyconshayo said:
Deep web and dark web are two different things.

Deep web is stuff that's on the clear web but not indexed by normal search engines and requires special search engines

The Dark web is the Tor broswer based web that has special addresses that the clear web browser can not interpret.
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"The Dark Web" is often used in relation to TOR but it isn't exclusive to TOR - there are many services and approaches to using TCP/IP beneath the normal HTTP and additional to normal DNS approaches using some kind of proxy to obfuscate end points and make it harder for anyone to find directly - TOR is just one of the more established and mainstream (lol) ones.
 
Rroff said:
"The Dark Web" is often used in relation to TOR but it isn't exclusive to TOR - there are many services and approaches to using TCP/IP beneath the normal HTTP and additional to normal DNS approaches using some kind of proxy to obfuscate end points and make it harder for anyone to find directly - TOR is just one of the more established and mainstream (lol) ones.
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The Dark Web then is classified as a small portion of theDeep Web that has been intentionally hidden and is inaccessible through standard web browsers. ... The TOR network is an anonymous network that can only be accessed with a special web browser, called the TOR browser.
 
xldeane said:
and you just D/L Tor, fire it up and away you go ?? So the anonymity thing, the whole web is encrypted, its not that you have to be anonymous to go on there (because of hackers and alike) but iits encrypted ANYWAY... haha Im starting to get it now.
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You have to know where to go. Using TOR as you would Firefox would make no difference to what you see. It's not like loading TOR suddenly means you see links saying "child porn here" or "buy cocaine for 50$!!"

There is some good TED talks on it actually.
 
hillwilson007 said:
The Dark Web then is classified as a small portion of theDeep Web that has been intentionally hidden and is inaccessible through standard web browsers. ... The TOR network is an anonymous network that can only be accessed with a special web browser, called the TOR browser.
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Its a bit frustrating as I have a broad understanding of what is out there and how the internet works - I've a ton of experience with coding for TCP/IP, etc. but don't really know how to convey it all.

There is the web based stuff - where you can access services directly from a web browser if you know the IP and port regardless of whether it has been indexed by search engines, etc. then there is stuff like TOR where you can only access via another service like TOR. But then there are loads of services other than that as well - there are smaller scale operations that still use services like the old BBS systems of old but hidden away from any kind of direct connection, etc. (some might be exposed via TOR others using their own methods) which I'm not sure how you'd classify - which are more the real "dark" net.
 
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Hang on ....I have just got to look up obfuscate (Meaning to make something less clear or harder to understand) ;) I agree with Rroff... Still got to give it a go though tbh..

I watched a TED talk on it the other night, it was the actor from the Bill & Ted film, Alex Winter i think. A very interesting talk.

Rroff said:
Its a bit frustrating as I have a broad understanding of what is out there and how the internet works - I've a ton of experience with coding for TCP/IP, etc. but don't really know how to convey it all.

There is the web based stuff - where you can access services directly from a web browser if you know the IP and port regardless of whether it has been indexed by search engines, etc. then there is stuff like TOR where you can only access via another service like TOR. But then there are loads of services other than that as well - there are smaller scale operations that still use services like the old BBS systems of old but hidden away from any kind of direct connection, etc. (some might be exposed via TOR others using their own methods) which I'm not sure how you'd classify - which are more the real "dark" net.
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Is the whole network encrypted then ? just different encryptions?
 
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There will be some level of obfuscation usually with encryption playing a big part of that - usually in combination with using lots of peers moving traffic around to mask where things start and end.
 
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