California Is the First U.S. State to Legally Recognize a Third Gender

Burnsy2023 said:
My question would be 'why should I care?'

Recognising a third gender doesn't affect me, at least not in a negative material way. If people want this and it's not detrimental to me, why are we debating this? Let people get on with it if they feel it helps them.
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This is my question too.

This mentality of dismissing/resenting anything that doesn't conform with a certain mindset, whether it has detrimental effects or not, is baffling to me.

Why is it impossible for some people to accept that not everyone is like them and there is nothing wrong with that?
 
Effeminate men and tomboy women have existed probably all throughout history why complicate matters with additional fictional genders etc?
 
mmj_uk said:
Effeminate men and tomboy women have existed probably all throughout history why complicate matters with additional fictional genders etc?
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I don't think that really (presumably) straight males have the sole rights for decision on what constitutes a real or fictional gender..
 
Being able to change your gender on legal documents without needing a statement from a physician is a big win for trans people. Trans people who don't look like the gender on their legal documentation can run into significant problems when accessing government services or interacting with law enforcement. You can imagine what happens when someone who looks male is pulled over by a traffic cop and their driving license says that they're female. Same at airports.
 
Does this affect my right to not give a crap about what gender or non-gender people think they are as long as they are good people?
 
Tunney said:
Being able to change your gender on legal documents without needing a statement from a physician is a big win for trans people. Trans people who don't look like the gender on their legal documentation can run into significant problems when accessing government services or interacting with law enforcement. You can imagine what happens when someone who looks male is pulled over by a traffic cop and their driving license says that they're female. Same at airports.
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Agreed, which is what I think the article is about, it doesn't say anything about recognizing a third gender, only that you can change gender without a medical professional, it makes sense.

If it were talking about different levels of gender (camp male, manly female for example) then that would be silly and if it did come up, I'd say it should be a measurement than a statement.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Sex is not the same as gender. Sex is male or female, or some sort of in between mess. A **** up, you might say. Gender is a spectrum and does not always correlate directly with sex.
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So what about people like me who have always categorised people based on their sex? Fair enough if you want to identify as a fish or something else, but if you were born with a penis then that makes you a male based on sex, which is what I will class you as in my mind.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
I know, but good luck trying to get away with identifying someone by their sex. They say it's not the same as gender but they'll still moan at you for doing it anyway...
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But sex is not an identity?

What exactly is your problem here?

I mean no one is telling you what you have to call someone. Call them what you want. Why you want to call them anything other than what they call themselves is baffling.
 
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arctine said:
Why is it impossible for some people to accept that not everyone is like them and there is nothing wrong with that?
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I happily accept that not everyone is like me, and that there is nothing wrong with that. What I don't accept is the arbitrary denial of biological science.

These days you can claim to be transgender without even physically transitioning. This is divorcement from reality.
 
Eliot said:
I don't think that really (presumably) straight males have the sole rights for decision on what constitutes a real or fictional gender..
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Indeed, and as much I don't like to straw(wo)man, I'm sure people were just as outraged at the idea of women voting, or black people sitting wherever they like on a bus.
 
Non binary suggests you're neither male or female, so what are they? nobody is 100% male or female in terms of gender, everybody will have behaviour patterns that are of the opposing sex, some just more than others and if it doesn't need a medical professional to decide literally anyone can become non binary in whatever that represents?
 
Evangelion said:
I happily accept that not everyone is like me, and that there is nothing wrong with that. What I don't accept is the arbitrary denial of biological science.

These days you can claim to be transgender without even physically transitioning. This is divorcement from reality.
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No one is denying biological science so I'm going to presume you don't have a problem.

Once again, quite simply: gender does not equal sex.
 
I don't think we do have to tiptoe around it do we? I haven't encountered a need to tiptoe around such a thing ever?
Just understanding that it doesn't affect you in anyway and allowing people to get on with it is a start i'd say.
 
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