Anyone Voting in the Catalan Referendum?

[Jean-F]

Unfortunately there are people who would happily screw their children over because of pride (and little else).

Colour me slow on the uptake, but I'm not sure that I get that, I was born in London, still live there, and am eternally grateful that I do.
My wife and my two children were born here too, one kid saw the light, (his words), and has lived in Germany for years now, says he'd never come back, rolls about laughing about Brexit, reckons we've shot ourselves in the foot big time, and hopes it won't affect me too much.
His brother still lives in London, their mother, my ex-wife, moved out of London after the divorce, to Norwich, saying London had bad memories for her.

Great idea, if that's what the people want, Be glad to see London gone, it's a dive.

Said everyone who cries themselves to sleep every night, wishing they could afford to live there.

You are aware that the rest of the UK doesn't give a dead rats Butt about *akkin Landan right ?

In fact I've said elsewhere that we should create a new Capital somewhere more central. Perhaps Naseby for it's location and historical link ?

New capital? Knock yourself out Outcast, love London or leave it.
Naseby? You're having a Turkish aren't you?
I can imagine Americans saying, "We're doing Europe next year,
Rome, Madrid, Paris, Amsterdam, and Naseby."

 

[Uther]

Colour me slow on the uptake, but I'm not sure that I get that, I was born in London, still live there, and am eternally grateful that I do.
My wife and my two children were born here too, one kid saw the light, (his words), and has lived in Germany for years now, says he'd never come back, rolls about laughing about Brexit, reckons we've shot ourselves in the foot big time, and hopes it won't affect me too much.
His brother still lives in London, their mother, my ex-wife, moved out of London after the divorce, to Norwich, saying London had bad memories for her.



Said everyone who cries themselves to sleep every night, wishing they could afford to live there.

I did live there, for many years, and unfortunately have to visit the dump regularly. I stand by my words.

 

[Sankari]

New capital? Knock yourself out Outcast, love London or leave it.
Naseby? You're having a Turkish aren't you?
I can imagine Americans saying, "We're doing Europe next year,
Rome, Madrid, Paris, Amsterdam, and Naseby."

I laughed much harder at this than the joke really deserved, but it really is a corker.

 

[Outcast]

What's in a name ?

Londinium - London.. Still sounds Skanky

 

[Sankari]

If I infer what you mean from your rather short post, then just, YES

The EU's most senior official warned that "more cracks" were emerging in the bloc on Friday after the Catalan parliament declared independence from Spain, plunging the country into political and economic turmoil.

Madrid swiftly responded to the vote by dissolving the Catalan parliament and dismissing Carles Puigdemont as president of Catalonia and his entire government.

Mariano Rajoy, the Spanish prime minister, announced that regional elections would be held in December and said the unprecedented act of imposing direct rule on the regional was needed to "recover normality".

The national police may be deployed to bring Catalonia under Madrid's control.

The shock decision to declare independence poses potentially the greatest threat to the EU's unity since Brexit, and is likely to fuel support for separatist movements in Ireland, Scotland and the Basque Country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-demands-special-powers-could-remove-catalan/

A nice little propaganda piece from the Torygraph. I got a huge kick out of 'The shock decision to declare independence poses potentially the greatest threat to the EU's unity since Brexit', that was hysterically funny.

The reality is that Catalan has no legal power to secede; Spain's constitution does not allow it. Catalans can declare themselves independent as much as they want, it won't change anything unless a referendum is held to change the constitution. Even if this was done and Catalan seceded, she would remain in the EU and so would Spain, because both are pro-EU.

 

[FoxEye]

Said everyone who cries themselves to sleep every night, wishing they could afford to live there.

LOLs. I wouldn't live in London if you paid me.

 

[Jokester]

A nice little propaganda piece from the Torygraph. I got a huge kick out of 'The shock decision to declare independence poses potentially the greatest threat to the EU's unity since Brexit', that was hysterically funny.

The reality is that Catalan has no legal power to secede; Spain's constitution does not allow it. Catalans can declare themselves independent as much as they want, it won't change anything unless a referendum is held to change the constitution. Even if this was done and Catalan seceded, she would remain in the EU and so would Spain, because both are pro-EU.

If Catalan gets formal independence they won’t be in the EU. Spain will never allow it!

 

[Rroff]

I did live there, for many years, and unfortunately have to visit the dump regularly. I stand by my words.

Same - lived there for a few years between 2002 and 2006 - in no hurry to move back - though I enjoy London visiting for a day but I've no desire to live there ever again.

 

[mmj_uk]

If Catalan gets formal independence they won’t be in the EU. Spain will never allow it!

I'm sure the EU can get around that little inconvenience somehow given their track record of getting their own way through whatever means necessary, what are Spain going to do if they are allowed to join? leave? yeah good luck with that after losing one of your wealthiest regions.

 

[HarryJ]

I genuinely feel like a large chunk of the human race at the moment is not keeping up with the times at all. For the 21st century we should be more forward thinking and working towards understanding, unity and advancement.

 

[Sankari]

If Catalan gets formal independence they won’t be in the EU. Spain will never allow it!

I'll believe that when I see it. If Catalan gets formal independence, it will only be because Spain has allowed it, and if that happens, Spain will be happier with Catalan in the EU rather than out of it.

I'm sure the EU can get around that little inconvenience somehow given their track record of getting their own way through whatever means necessary

Evidence please.

 

[Jokester]

I'm sure the EU can get around that little inconvenience somehow given their track record of getting their own way through whatever means necessary, what are Spain going to do if they are allowed to join? leave? yeah good luck with that after losing one of your wealthiest regions.

The EU have made it clear that any new countries need to apply to join the EU.

Spain (plus all the other EU nations) have the power of veto over new applications.

Spain were very vocal about vetoing Scotland’s application to join the EU with their eye firmly on the Catalonia issue at the time. The EU themselves were just yesterday saying they do not want countries breaking up within the EU as it runs counter to what the EU stands for.

 

[Rroff]

I genuinely feel like a large chunk of the human race at the moment is not keeping up with the times at all. For the 21st century we should be more forward thinking and working towards understanding, unity and advancement.

Which obviously has to come from both sides.

 

[Jean-F]

LOLs. I wouldn't live in London if you paid me.

Your prerogative sir, and you’re within your rights to exercise it.
I note that you’re in Cornwall, on a whim one night a few years
back, my then girlfriend and I took the night sleeper from Waterloo
to Penzance, I think it now goes from Paddington, on arrival, after
breakfast, we walked around, but she was bored rigid and cried
to get the first train back to London, which went into Paddington.

 

[Em3bbs]

LOLs. I wouldn't live in London if you paid me.

Yes, who would cook your tea or do your washing.

 

[FoxEye]

I genuinely feel like a large chunk of the human race at the moment is not keeping up with the times at all. For the 21st century we should be more forward thinking and working towards understanding, unity and advancement.

On the flip side, we need to be realistic, and acknowledge that regional and local differences exist, and that they can be massive.

What is "right" and good governance for London (eg), would be utterly inappropriate for Cornwall.

Everybody wants a voice, wants to feel that decisions affecting them are made by people who understand them.

You could have one "world leader" making decisions for the whole planet, and claim that this shows "unity, advancement and forward thinking". Chances are it would be a disaster.

I don't want independence for Cornwall... but I do know that Westminster MPs have no clue whatsoever about the things that are important to Cornish people. I doubt they even care, or give our region any consideration beyond the bare minimum. So I will absolutely support calls for more regional powers for Cornwall. Then the decisions on issues that uniquely/disproportionately affect us can be made by people whom we can bring to account. We certainly can't do that in any meaningful way to a parliament in London constituted by MPs representing (allegedly) the whole country.

 

[Outcast]

You could Revamp Tintagel.. Hold court in there.. Round table and ... and... and..

Bring it on !!

 

[FoxEye]

Your prerogative sir, and you’re within your rights to exercise it.
I note that you’re in Cornwall, on a whim one night a few years
back, my then girlfriend and I took the night sleeper from Waterloo
to Penzance, I think it now goes from Paddington, on arrival, after
breakfast, we walked around, but she was bored rigid and cried
to get the first train back to London, which went into Paddington.

Actually the appeal of Cornwall is that it isn't a big, built-up urban sprawl with the city life/nightlife that your girlfriend obviously craves. Cornwall is about vast expanses of open countryside, loads of places off the beaten track, endless coastline...

If you like London I can understand why you'd hate Cornwall. It's the antitheses of London. Coming to Cornwall and looking for vibrant cities is missing the point. Esp Penzance, which has the dubious honour of being the "end of the line", and having more than its fair share of poverty/social problems.

 

[Craterloads]

I wonder when the uk and other countries will begin sending non leathal and lethal aid along with training the people of Catalonia for insurgency?

 

[Rroff]

I wonder when the uk and other countries will begin sending non leathal and lethal aid along with training the people of Catalonia for insurgency?

Russia probably has a monopoly anyhow.