Can the egotistical humans now stop

[CREATIVE!11]

Global warming is a hoax conjured up by the deep state. George Soros and his shills are hard at work spreading all this fake news.

GLOBAL. WARMING. ISN'T. REAL.

 

[Casdawer]

Both are responsible.

Even if Humans aren't responsible for Global Warming, isn't it worth pursuing green energy for our own benefit and the benefit of the entire plant?

 

[FortuitousFluke]

Maybe we should send May in to negotiate a new all or nothing deal and threaten them with earth leaving the solar system. I will call it Earxith. We can campaign it by telling people that aliens steal are jobs, follow up with something about sovereignty and then end it with not wanting to integrate and adhere to galaxy law.

I'm sick and tired of the United Federation of Planets telling me my bananas are too bendy!

 

[Vonhelmet]

Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant it is necessary for all plant life on Earth, plants which through Photosynthesis produce Oxygen. If anything needs to be done to protect the ecosystem it's to stop deforestation.

Yes, stopping deforestation would be a great thing, because the trees would absorb some of the GODDAMN CARBON DIOXIDE THAT IS POLLUTING THE ATMOSPHERE.

In other news, poo is not a pollutant because it makes useful fertiliser, so we should all be happy to have it in our drinking water.

 

[dcsarge]

I'm just fed up with us humans being blamed for all this human activity. How can there be an obesity crisis if we are all so active. Explain that one science?

 

[mid_gen]

In other news, poo is not a pollutant because it makes useful fertiliser, so we should all be happy to have it in our drinking water.

Drinking water? Don't you know that you can literally DROWN in water? Lethal stuff. Don't buy into the MSM lie that it's essential for life...

 

[His Divine Shadow]

The obesity crisis is because people eat things that barely pass for nutrition. As for climate change (currently billed as a mass extinction, for those in the know).....keep debating all you like. The time for debate is well over.....I mean by 20 years. It's not what we can do to stop it, we've gone past any realistic survival models. Buckle up buttercups xx

 

[stopper]

Some years ago, the BBC reported that experts said there will be no ice left on the planet by Dec 2016, they couldn't be more wrong if they tried. Right now there is 30% more ice, than what was reported at the time.
Global warming, climate change...etc, is complete and utter turd.

But the donations keep the coffers overflowing.

 

[Amp34]

The warming is occurring everywhere. If it were coming from under the earth you'd need all the magma and warmth to be moving out from the centre of the earth, which doesn't make sense in terms of either mavity or thermodynamics.

Erm... as much as Labr@t is talking out his arse on the climate change/plume thing... What you describe is what happens. There’s a steady heat flow from the core and mantle to the surface, largely from volcanic areas (plumes and oceanic crusts), but also through continental crust. It’s how the radiogenic and primordial heat escapes, and the reason why Mars is now “dead”. It’s why there are convection currents in the mantle, and why we have plate tectonics.

All this is taken into account in climate models though, so outside of localized events (such as this possible plume under part of Antarctica) its largely irrelevant.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Erm... as much as Labr@t is talking out his arse on the climate change/plume thing... What you describe is what happens. There’s a steady heat flow from the core and mantle to the surface, largely from volcanic areas (plumes and oceanic crusts), but also through continental crust. It’s how the radiogenic and primordial heat escapes, and the reason why Mars is now “dead”. It’s why there are convection currents in the mantle, and why we have plate tectonics.

All this is taken into account in climate models though, so outside of localized events (such as this possible plume under part of Antarctica) its largely irrelevant.

OK, I guess I'm thinking of it in terms of it being impossible for there to be more heat on the inside at any point now than there has been at any point in the past, because there's no means of adding heat to the core. If the heat is escaping from the core to the surface then it has to go somewhere, otherwise by now surely the surface of the planet would be absolutely cooking. After all, the planet has been here for 4.5 billion years. It doesn't make sense for the rate of escape from the core to be so much faster over the past 100 years or so than in the past 4.5 billion. That's patently ridiculous.

 

[Sankari]

Some years ago, the BBC reported that experts said there will be no ice left on the planet by Dec 2016

Evidence please.

Global warming, climate change...etc, is complete and utter turd.

But the donations keep the coffers overflowing.

There's arguably more money in climate change denial than in genuine climate change science.

'Why claiming that climate scientists are in it for the money is absurd.'

 

[mid_gen]

OK, I guess I'm thinking of it in terms of it being impossible for there to be more heat on the inside at any point now than there has been at any point in the past, because there's no means of adding heat to the core. If the heat is escaping from the core to the surface then it has to go somewhere, otherwise by now surely the surface of the planet would be absolutely cooking. After all, the planet has been here for 4.5 billion years. It doesn't make sense for the rate of escape from the core to be so much faster over the past 100 years or so than in the past 4.5 billion. That's patently ridiculous.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_internal_heat_budget

Point stands that geological activity has nothing to do with the temperature spike in the last 80 odd years.

 

[gettothechopper]

Evidence please.

this is the closest i can find to what he is on about
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm

"Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years."

so erm close but not quite

meanwhile :
"The 2017 sea ice level fits with an overall steady decline over the decades, but one that varies from year to year, Scambos said. “It’s not going to be a staircase heading down to zero every year,” he said. “[But] the Arctic will continue to evolve towards less ice. There’s no dodging that.”

also kids remember "all models are wrong but some are useful"

 

[Nitefly]

Why is it that every person that vocally opposes the idea of climate change is typically the sort of person that holds a rubbish opinion on virtually every subject. You can pretty much guess all of their views based on that question. No idea why - just seems to be the trend.

 

[gettothechopper]

I demand a scientific study to understand why all racists are climate change deniers

 

[Rroff]

Drinking water? Don't you know that you can literally DROWN in water? Lethal stuff. Don't buy into the MSM lie that it's essential for life...

Yeah we need to eliminate that lethal Dihydrogen Monoxide from our lives.

this is the closest i can find to what he is on about
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm

"Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years."

so erm close but not quite

meanwhile :
"The 2017 sea ice level fits with an overall steady decline over the decades, but one that varies from year to year, Scambos said. “It’s not going to be a staircase heading down to zero every year,” he said. “[But] the Arctic will continue to evolve towards less ice. There’s no dodging that.”

also kids remember "all models are wrong but some are useful"

Arctic ice is another one that gets me - there is definitely a concerning pattern of yearly minimum ice coverage decline but yet again those pushing climate change are presenting the information by only measuring it at its lowest, eliminating other data and painting it as an unperturbed linear regression when it is anything but. And this year come November its bounced back to competing with some of the all time (modern) records for extent at this time of year. There is also some correlation with solar cycles so while again I urge we don't ignore the signs I also think we need to be careful with how we present that because when things don't go like claimed, and there is a good chance the actuality is going to be a bit different here, it tends to devalue the case and make people less likely to believe in future.

 

[Vonhelmet]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_internal_heat_budget

Point stands that geological activity has nothing to do with the temperature spike in the last 80 odd years.

Key sentence for me in the summary at the top of that page being:

Despite its geological significance, this heat energy coming from Earth's interior is actually only 0.03% of Earth's total energy budget at the surface, which is dominated by 173,000 TW of incoming solar radiation.

 

[kwerk]

There's a sunken Russian sub under there leaking radiation.

 

[Amp34]

Why is it that every person that vocally opposes the idea of climate change is typically the sort of person that holds a rubbish opinion on virtually every subject. You can pretty much guess all of their views based on that question. No idea why - just seems to be the trend.

Poor analytical skills and a misunderstanding on the use of data, evidence weighting and the scientific method?

 

[Rroff]

Aargh I hate these graphs - the first one on this site is a bit better http://forhumanliberation.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/692-how-we-know-global-warming-is-real.html I don't have time to dig up all the data proper right now so just grabbed the first site that had a graph more like I would use. So often they are used as if somewhere around the mid 1800s we suddenly see a departure from the historical normal.

EDIT: Take the information in the link I posted for example - if climate change is progressing at a rate like that would indicate we need to be taking drastic and radical action (as of yesterday really) no amount of progressive movement towards trying to keep temperature and CO2, etc. rises in check as per some recent agreements, etc. will do anything but buy a tiny pointless fraction of time.