Three times as many drivers evading tax since the tax disc was abolished

If I was only driving to the local town and back I wouldn't need to bother either.No anpr, no police anywhere...

Years go when I was paying hundreds of pounds a year to insure a motorbike, a friend never paid a penny, and in a decade didn't get caught. Must have saved thousands of pounds in that time.
 
There was a women who reached about 90 and stopped driving, then admitted she had never paid car tax or insurance for her whole life. Never got caught.

Thing is they wont go back to paper ones, because that would be admitting they messed up. They were told this would happen, but did it anyway.
 
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SpeedFreak said:
It's a joke that for my 10k miles per year I am paying the same VED as a sales rep doing 40k.
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Isn't that the whole point of road tax, to charge more to those that use the roads a lot. An extra 10p a litre would cover it and I'd happily pay it and I say that as someone that does 10,000 a year and gets 20mpg.
 
As for untaxed, I sold a car several months ago to a guy who said he was taking it to Morocco. That's still showing as untaxed online so that's one off the figures! :p
 
theone8181 said:
Isn't that the whole point of road tax, to charge more to those that use the roads a lot. An extra 10p a litre would cover it and I'd happily pay it and I say that as someone that does 10,000 a year and gets 20mpg.
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I would also like to see basic third party insurance covererd by a fuel charge too, like they do in some other parts of the world.

Nasher said:
There was a women who reached about 90 and stopped driving, then admitted she had never paid car tax or insurance for her whole life. Never got caught.
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She didnt live in a caravan did she?
 
I'm not convinced this can be completely laid at the door of the scrapping of the tax disc, I suspect this would have happened regardless to some extent just because of the increase of people seemingly living on the bread line.
 
Jokester said:
I'm not convinced this can be completely laid at the door of the scrapping of the tax disc, I suspect this would have happened regardless to some extent just because of the increase of people seemingly living on the bread line.
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There might be a case that removing the disc in the window has removed the main reminder most people employed, as in they had a visual reminder every time they approached their vehicle.

However I agree with you other factors will have also influenced the increase in the numbers
 
Nasher said:
There was a women who reached about 90 and stopped driving, then admitted she had never paid car tax or insurance for her whole life. Never got caught.
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Wow that’s crazy :eek: and kind of sad that someone can go that long without being punished.
Don’t they say roughly there is nearly a million un insured vehicles in the UK and now there’s 700k not taxed you just wonder how they get away with it with so many Anpr and other cameras about. The whole system needs an overhaul it’s a joke.
You only have to watch some of these police shows to see people being pulled in brand new cars for no insurance they would obviously rather pay £300 a month on a lease for a nice car then not bother with insurance or tax probably because they can’t afford it.
Just thinking in the 7 years I’ve been driving i have probably spent about 8.5k on insurance and about 1.6k on tax :eek: probably could have gotten away with having none aswell most of the time.
 
Jokester said:
Police should just go round supermarket car parks and what not and check every single car.
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What police? :p

I think I posted this before, but back in the summer I drove from the Midlands to just south of Edinburgh and back again, a round trip of about 500 miles, and saw precisely one police car. And that was in Scotland.
 
SpeedFreak said:
ANPR should surely make it close to impossible to drive more than 20 miles without being flagged. Are there huge holes in the camera network?
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In a word yes there are huge holes in the network. Anecdotally a friend of mine who is as honest as the day is long managed to forget to MOT his car. He's been driving it for over 18 months between Stoke and Nottingham almost every weekend and wasn't picked up. We were chatting about it and anyone doing local runs and sticking to the side roads could go for years without detection.

There are several issues with the system, the obvious one is that it makes detecting those who choose break the law less effective as you're less liable to get caught. Thus more are tempted to dodge payment altogether. On top of that is how the tax is applied anyway. Why should someone who tootles about and does 3000 miles a year pay the same as someone who does 40,000. You could stick the tax on fuel if it wasn't for the fact that they've already rung every penny out of it to begin with.

So another win for the incompetent folk of Westminster wasting spending our money wisely. £107,000,000 a year down the pan. Was it not supposed to be saving 8-10 million a year?
 
DampDog said:
In a word yes there are huge holes in the network. Anecdotally a friend of mine who is as honest as the day is long managed to forget to MOT his car. He's been driving it for over 18 months between Stoke and Nottingham almost every weekend and wasn't picked up. We were chatting about it and anyone doing local runs and sticking to the side roads could go for years without detection.

There are several issues with the system, the obvious one is that it makes detecting those who choose break the law less effective as you're less liable to get caught. Thus more are tempted to dodge payment altogether. On top of that is how the tax is applied anyway. Why should someone who tootles about and does 3000 miles a year pay the same as someone who does 40,000. You could stick the tax on fuel if it wasn't for the fact that they've already rung every penny out of it to begin with.

So another win for the incompetent folk of Westminster wasting spending our money wisely. £107,000,000 a year down the pan. Was it not supposed to be saving 8-10 million a year?
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It's even worse if you think some could do 1 mile and spend 500 quid on road tax while someone could do 40,000 and pay nothing due to it being based purely on co2.
 
theone8181 said:
It's even worse if you think some could do 1 mile and spend 500 quid on road tax while someone could do 40,000 and pay nothing due to it being based purely on co2.
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Are we not all being steered to the next environmental ****-up anyway?? Not so long back all the incentives were in place to get us all into the showrooms buying diesels. The same quiet whispering in everyone's ear is starting with electric-hybrid, yet there are no plans in place to update the info-structure with countless extra charging points, extra power generation (electricity doesn't come out of the wall by magic) and everything else associated with it. 18 months ago they were talking about possible power outages over winter and that's without everyone plugging their car in every evening.
 
Diesels are likely to get hit on Wednesday in the budget, no doubt there will be some changes to VED rates as well.
 
theone8181 said:
It's even worse if you think some could do 1 mile and spend 500 quid on road tax while someone could do 40,000 and pay nothing due to it being based purely on co2.
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It's a tax on less effcient cars.

You do realise that the person who done 1 mile would have paid bugger all in fuel duty whereas the person that done 40K would have paid thousands in fuel duty?

To me that sounds like a perfectly fair system of taxation.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
It's a tax on less effcient cars.

You do realise that the person who done 1 mile would have paid bugger all in fuel duty whereas the person that done 40K would have paid thousands in fuel duty?

To me that sounds like a perfectly fair system of taxation.
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Exactly, if you do more miles you should pay more.
 
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