Am I liable to pay a fine
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These aren't societies rules. Thess are aribitrary contracts drawn up by one party.
There is nothing in law that specifies this.
The law only allows the enforcement of agreed contracts. Again since you alluded to be in the legal profession, what are the conditions of a legally binding contract?
You appear to be confusing a criminal charge and a "charge" on an invoice.
If I accuse you of theft and it's later proven that I made it up just to try and get you in trouble, then yes I could be charged with perverting the course of justice.
If I invoice you for something I didn't provide then what criminal offence exactly would I be commuting?
Fraud presumably.
AFAIK fake invoices is a very real scam for various businesses when some temp in the finance department pays out to some fraudster who has sent in an official looking bit of paper.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/email_scammers_hit_businesses_5bn/
That wasn't the premise behind the post I originally replied to. There is civil fraud and criminal fraud and the difference can amount to 'intention'. Each case would have to be judged on the circumstances.
I was discussing rules as applicable to society in response to a particular post i.e.
. I wasn't discussing the rules about complying with any particular contract.
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Love the fact he wouldn't name the shop, but gave the clue instead
THAT's how you GD!
THAT's how you GD!
Yes it was, the post you replied to was talking about starting small claims proceedings for a £100 charge (i.e. an invoice) which is a civil matter, and you start talking about false accusations and criminal charges... how are the 2 related?
I'd be interested to see if that is actually a criminal matter or a civil one? I guess that would potentially depend on the scale?
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I’ve ignored a few of these and have never been to court. It’s just not worth their while for £90.
Lots of people risk 'drink driving' and some get away with it time and again. Others aren't always so lucky. In the first instance (non-payment) they will put the matter in the hands of a debt collecting agency. If the scary letters don't make you pay, they can and often do initiate proceedings in the County Court. It's at this point you really need to 'sit up and take notice. If you fail to attend court and judgment is made against you that is when the bailiffs are likely to come knocking and they do come with powers.
The courts deal with these cases (often at a special sitting) in bulk i.e. they will list dozens at the same time. It's not a long drawn out process with cases often dealt with in minutes.
Yes but drink driving is a criminal offence. Ignoring some parking ticket issued by a random company isn't. If you get caught drink driving your 100% guaranteed to get done. If you ignore a one-off parking ticket your 99% likely to get away with it.
Getting money out of individuals isn't easy. Even if the court orders them to pay, they may still just never pay up. It happens a lot.
Getting money out of individuals isn't easy. Even if the court orders them to pay, they may still just never pay up. It happens a lot.
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I think you need to start at post 77 to see what triggered the responses. You will see then how I make the responses I do following that post.
The principle of ignoring the law/rules still applies i.e. you may get away with it, you may not. Whether it's criminal law or civil is irrelevant.
Yea but with this kind of thing the odds are in your favour. So the logical course of action is to do nothing
Yea but with this kind of thing the odds are in your favour. So the logical course of action is to do nothing
I'm not a betting man so for me the logical thing to do is not put myself in these situations in the first place. If I go into a car park the first thing I do is look for the signs and read carefully what they say. I then follow the regulations and up to now 46 years of driving - I'm still good to go.
Hahahah you're too funny!
I'm trying to find a non insulting alternative to chump, I mean no offence I just can't think of the right word. Maybe sucker? No, these are all too mean.
Today I parked in a disabled bay at a well known shop (I won't give their name but it begins with I and ends with kea) because all the parent child spaces were full. What's going to happen to me for breaking "societies rules"?
Just to clarify I hold no blue badge.... nor do I have kids
(Haha joke!)
I'm trying to find a non insulting alternative to chump, I mean no offence I just can't think of the right word. Maybe sucker? No, these are all too mean.
Today I parked in a disabled bay at a well known shop (I won't give their name but it begins with I and ends with kea) because all the parent child spaces were full. What's going to happen to me for breaking "societies rules"?
Just to clarify I hold no blue badge.... nor do I have kids
(Haha joke!)
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I did start at post 77, MCOL = money claim online. It's the online process for small claims proceedings which is where you are pursuing a civil case against someone for money they owe you, it has nothing to do with criminal charges at all. Of course I'm sure you already know that and are just desperately trying to save face (it's not working
).In terms of always following the rules - sometimes people twist the rules or try to push the boundaries of them (e.g. parking companies trying to charge you £90 for overstaying your parking by 10 mins). Whilst that may technically within the rules, it's not necessarily within their intended meaning. If the parking companies decide to push & bend the rules in such a way, why shouldn't the person receiving the £90 charge attempt to push and bend back?
I did start at post 77, MCOL = money claim online. It's the online process for small claims proceedings which is where you are pursuing a civil case against someone for money they owe you, it has nothing to do with criminal charges at all. Of course I'm sure you already know that and are just desperately trying to save face (it's not working
In terms of always following the rules - sometimes people twist the rules or try to push the boundaries of them (e.g. parking companies trying to charge you £90 for overstaying your parking by 10 mins). Whilst that may technically within the rules, it's not necessarily within their intended meaning. If the parking companies decide to push & bend the rules in such a way, why shouldn't the person receiving the £90 charge attempt to push and bend back?
I was posting about someone intentionally making a false claim against me so 'yes' it is working, it's simply you that's not processing the information correctly. I say again, ignoring demands for money is never advisable as it can and often does come back to bite you. Work within the rules to put your case and if possible back it up with evidence and previous legal rulings in order to bolster your case.