Comparison of Palit's coolers - anyone know of one?

[Angilion]

I'm looking at buying a 1070 Ti. There's one here at OcUK that's the cheapest I've seen anywhere - a Palit 1070 Ti "Twin X2" for £410. I looked for a review of it, found what I initially thought was one and was very pleased at the cooling+noise results...then I noticed that the search engine's results were, let's say "speculative", and it wasn't actually the card I was looking for a review of.

The Palit 1070 Ti Twin X2 being advertised here looks exactly the same as the Palit 1070 Ti Dual on Palit's page, so I'm pretty sure that's what it actually is.

The card in the review (and every other review of a Palit 1070 Ti I can find) is a Palit 1070 Ti Super Jetstream.

Same card, different cooler. Standard for Palit, as far as I know. Three different coolers for each model to further differentiate them...and Dual is the bottom one.

So...what I want to know is how the three Palit coolers compare - Dual, Jetstream and Super Jetstream. My search skills have failed me, but the details I can find imply that the Dual is significantly worse than the other two, with an inferior cooler and inferior fans.

I did find a review of the Palit 1070 Dual, which I'm pretty sure is exactly the same cooler. The reviewer thought it was far too noisy, but they were clearly even fussier than I am about noise so I'd like more opinions and preferably some measurement and like for like comparisons. That review did tell me something useful though - it's apparently easy to change the fans on Palit's Dual cooler.

I could buy a Palit 1070 Ti Super Jetstream for £420 from somewhere else. I'd usually definitely pay £10 more for the better cooler, but I would prefer to buy from OcUK rather than from some place I don't know. If the Dual isn't all that much worse, I'll probably go with that.

Best case scenario would be OcUK sourcing a Super Jetstream version and selling it for close to the other place's price.

Well, no. Best case scenario would be someone paying me to have a 1080 Ti because the box was taking up space they wanted. But that's a little further removed from the realms of the plausible

 

[Rroff]

The cooler on the dual is largely if not all aluminium and pretty average (which makes the card quite light to hold) it works OK though. Noise levels seem to vary a bit card to card (probably due to being relatively cheap/mass produced) but are acceptable under normal usage - despite some adverts of zero fan it doesn't have that feature.

If you have a reasonably quiet PSU and case fans the GPU becomes slightly audible around 60% fan speed over other case noise and is quite disgusting at anything near 100% but as long as you have OK case ventilation it shouldn't be an issue - depending on game probably around 50-70% fan speed.

 

[Angilion]

Thanks for that information. I have a very quiet PC (unless I'm using the optical drive, which is startlingly loud in comparison). In normal conditions, my HDD (which is mounted on rubber) is louder than my cooling. I'm using air cooling, but I went for quiet and efficient from the "noise, efficiency, cost - pick at most 2 of 3" thing. It all gets louder when gaming, but almost entirely due to the graphics card cooler. In normal use, monitoring reports CPU fan speed of ~400 rpm and case fan speeds of ~650 rpm. I've run various Prime tests and all that happens is the CPU cooling fan increases to ~1100 rpm, a quiet hum I don't even notice unless I'm listening for it, and the CPU temp reaches high 50s. That's with stock settings too - I could probably get it lower with a slightly lower voltage. Stock is feeding 1.26V to the CPU under 100% load and that's probably higher than needed.

I'm a bit fussy about noise. But I'm probably over thinking it as the Radeon 7950 I have now is quite power hungry and probably louder under load than the 1070 Ti Dual would be. I game with headphones on, so it's not so much of an issue.

 

[Armadillo]

I'd go for this if £420 is ok.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-342-ms.html

Black Friday deal.

Gibbo said they were going live at 12 https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31363721/, but seems like it's live now for the card. Twin Frozr is a great cooler, well built and has 0rpm mode.

 

[Angilion]

I'd go for this if £420 is ok.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-342-ms.html

Black Friday deal.

Gibbo said they were going live at 12 https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31363721/, but seems like it's live now for the card. Twin Frozr is a great cooler, well built and has 0rpm mode.

Sweet! That's the one!

I spend so little money that a £420 online purchase will probably trigger my bank's/card issuer's potential fraud flag and if it does it'll be blocked until I can phone them. Only one way to find out...


...yes, it did. I've been on hold with my card issuer for 12 minutes and counting now. After a intro message saying it would be less than 5 minutes and dozens of repeats of an increasingly irritating lie about being answered shortly.


...got an answer after 23 minutes on hold. Apparently they're inundated with automated potential fraud flagging as a result of online shops starting Black Friday deals at midnight. Confirmed my identity, they okayed the transaction, I tried again...and got an error in German instead. Err...progress? 3rd time worked, though, so my new toy should be with me on Saturday.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

LOL,how can £420 for an overpriced GTX1070TI be a deal?? I have just seen more GTX1070 cards drop to £350 for Black Friday.

So far that is four different models of GTX1070 for £350 in the last 24 hours!

 

[Angilion]

LOL,how can £420 for an overpriced GTX1070TI be a deal?? I have just seen more GTX1070 cards drop to £350 for Black Friday.

So far that is four different models of GTX1070 for £350 in the last 24 hours!

But I decided I wanted a 1070 Ti, so it was a deal. Yes, I paid 20% extra for ~10% extra performance and a better cooler (I quickly checked a couple of reviews and the MSI Twin Frozr (silly name) came top of the dozen or so cards tested and the £350 1070s are the cheapest models). Extra performance I don't need, true. But I might have use for it in the future and I'll be keeping this card for quite a while. It could have been worse - I could have paid £500 or more for a 1080 that averages ~5% extra performance over a 1070 Ti.

If I had changed my mind a few more times I might have talked myself into buying a 1080 Ti instead, so I've saved over £200!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

But I decided I wanted a 1070 Ti, so it was a deal. Yes, I paid 20% extra for ~10% extra performance and a better cooler (I quickly checked a couple of reviews and the MSI Twin Frozr (silly name) came top of the dozen or so cards tested and the £350 1070s are the cheapest models). Extra performance I don't need, true. But I might have use for it in the future and I'll be keeping this card for quite a while. It could have been worse - I could have paid £500 or more for a 1080 that averages ~5% extra performance over a 1070 Ti.

If I had changed my mind a few more times I might have talked myself into buying a 1080 Ti instead, so I've saved over £200!

I checked user reviews of the £350 Zotac and it seems very quiet according to Reddit users and has zero RPM mode. Saw another MSI GTX1070 which seemed to have the same mode.

The GTX1070 does not consume a lot of power anyway,so its not really hard to cool,like I said my mate has this MSI ITX one,and it seems to be fine:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-aero-itx-oc-review,1.html

So for me £60 to £70 is a lot for not much as that is like maybe another SSD or something,but its your money OFC!!

Edit!!

OTH,at least you can ramp the FO4 settings up now!! Just limit it to 70FPS otherwise the physics gets wonky.



Second Edit!!

If you want to try a bit of fun,increasing the draw distances can be interesting via the Fallout 4 Tweaker but always on a new save,as you can't dial it down without causing a few issues if there is a crash(don't alter anything to do with the cells though as it will load stuff too early and cause issues).

I have so many texture mods it seems I run out of VRAM at qHD. At 1080p you might be fine.

It does look much nicer when in your settlement towers though. I have a 20 story one at Abernathy Farm and with the standard game its noticeable at how quickly the distant objects are removed.

 

[Angilion]

I checked user reviews of the £350 Zotac and it seems very quiet according to Reddit users and has zero RPM mode. Saw another MSI GTX1070 which seemed to have the same mode.

The GTX1070 does not consume a lot of power anyway,so its not really hard to cool,so for me £60 to £70 is a lot for not much,but its your money OFC!!

I think pretty much all graphics cards cost a lot now. £350 as the rock bottom special offer price on midrange cards ~18 months after they were released is a lot. Having chosen to buy a new card from at least midrange anyway, I was already spending a lot in my view. An extra £60 to £70 for ~10% extra performance and a cooler quiet enough to suit the rest of my low noise build seemed worth it to me in the context of what I consider to be overly expensive graphics cards and in the context of it all being spare cash. Buying a £350 card and buying a better (not much better, but better) £420 card were both spending some of the money I don't need on a toy I'll enjoy, so they're not very different things. Both are pretty much equally extravagant but not harmful purchases from my perspective.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think pretty much all graphics cards cost a lot now. £350 as the rock bottom special offer price on midrange cards ~18 months after they were released is a lot. Having chosen to buy a new card from at least midrange anyway, I was already spending a lot in my view. An extra £60 to £70 for ~10% extra performance and a cooler quiet enough to suit the rest of my low noise build seemed worth it to me in the context of what I consider to be overly expensive graphics cards and in the context of it all being spare cash. Buying a £350 card and buying a better (not much better, but better) £420 card were both spending some of the money I don't need on a toy I'll enjoy, so they're not very different things. Both are pretty much equally extravagant but not harmful purchases from my perspective.

The thing is the "cheap" GTX1070 cards seem fine,as the power consumption is really not high on a GTX1070 - its actually less than most RX580 models in comparison,so I would argue many of the coolers are OTT. That MSI I linked to which my mate got is tiny,ie,its barely the size of cards like a GTX750TI,and it really is not that noisy either,but its a full GTX1070. I honestly don't know what magic tricks MSI pulled with that card,but they did a good job.
To put it in context I have a GTX1080FE which is probably the worst of the GTX1080 cards for noise in an aluminium mini-ITX build(not really good at sound reduction like steel),but it is the best blower cooler I have ever used. At low loads its not noticeable,at high loads it is but is quieter than an RX470 I had for a while(!).

Also,as you said you have not plonked FO4 on a SSD,now you have an excuse to do so with the system upgrade!!

 

[Angilion]

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Also,as you said you have not plonked FO4 on a SSD,now you have an excuse to do so with the system upgrade!!

The reason I haven't done it yet is a bit odd. I want to move the OS first, but I think my PC takes too long to boot at the moment and I'm looking for something on Win7 like the old bootvis on XP - a quick, simple showing of what loads when during boot - to see if there's something I can do to optimise it somewhat before moving it. I took a chance on just copying the HDD in my old PC onto the HDD in my new PC with every bit of hardware other than the graphics card being changed. It worked completely fine after installing the new drivers for stuff, but it's not the optimal way to do the job and boot time is longer than it was on my old PC.

But of course I could just move F04 without moving the OS. I tried it with GameSave Manager (which I use for conveniently backing up saved games to a thumb drive, but it also has a game moving feature) but it failed with the obviously incorrect error message of there not being enough space on my empty 250GB SSD for my 40GB FO4 installation (after copying 32GB of it over) and I decided at that time I'd rather build a new pub in one of my settlements than find out why it didn't work. There were some new seats in a update in one of the mods I use and I wanted to use them

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The reason I haven't done it yet is a bit odd. I want to move the OS first, but I think my PC takes too long to boot at the moment and I'm looking for something on Win7 like the old bootvis on XP - a quick, simple showing of what loads when during boot - to see if there's something I can do to optimise it somewhat before moving it. I took a chance on just copying the HDD in my old PC onto the HDD in my new PC with every bit of hardware other than the graphics card being changed. It worked completely fine after installing the new drivers for stuff, but it's not the optimal way to do the job and boot time is longer than it was on my old PC.

But of course I could just move F04 without moving the OS. I tried it with GameSave Manager (which I use for conveniently backing up saved games to a thumb drive, but it also has a game moving feature) but it failed with the obviously incorrect error message of there not being enough space on my empty 250GB SSD for my 40GB FO4 installation (after copying 32GB of it over) and I decided at that time I'd rather build a new pub in one of my settlements than find out why it didn't work. There were some new seats in a update in one of the mods I use and I wanted to use them

I originally had a 480GB Sandisk which failed(seems a few other people I know had issues with their SSDs) which I installed Win10 onto and FO4. I reinstalled the OS on a spare 120GB SSD I had and bought a 275GB SSD for the game.

Basically I made a Games folder on the SSD,and installed FO4 onto the new SSD. I then reinstalled the mods using NMM,but the mod download folder is on an HDD still.

In theory you can have multiple game installs on different drives:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7418-YUBN-8129

I also created a virtual path in Windows so the save games go onto the newer SSD too.

I have to be careful as the save games are like a 100MB each now!!

 

[imginy]

The cooler on the dual is largely if not all aluminium and pretty average (which makes the card quite light to hold) it works OK though. Noise levels seem to vary a bit card to card (probably due to being relatively cheap/mass produced) but are acceptable under normal usage - despite some adverts of zero fan it doesn't have that feature.

If you have a reasonably quiet PSU and case fans the GPU becomes slightly audible around 60% fan speed over other case noise and is quite disgusting at anything near 100% but as long as you have OK case ventilation it shouldn't be an issue - depending on game probably around 50-70% fan speed.

I have the dual 1080 it does have 0 fan I have sat there playing games with 0 fan when I use vsync.

As for fan noise on stock setting card is pretty quiet when I play overwatch at 170fps at stock fan is at 55% and you can barely notice it, if I run at 2000 it gets loud but it's not an annoying noise just sounds like air moving.

 

[Rroff]

I have the dual 1080 it does have 0 fan I have sat there playing games with 0 fan when I use vsync.

As for fan noise on stock setting card is pretty quiet, if I run at 2000 you can hear it but it's not an annoying noise just sounds like air moving.

Dunno about the 1080 but the 1070 was initially advertised with zero fan but doesn't support it. Some of the ads have zero fan upto 50C for the 1070ti but user reports seem mixed.

 

[imginy]

Dunno about the 1080 but the 1070 was initially advertised with zero fan but doesn't support it. Some of the ads have zero fan upto 50C for the 1070ti but user reports seem mixed.

You can set the custom fan curve to 0 all the way up to about 53C

I guess people don't have good enough case cooling or there ambient temps in the house are too high. I know mine works fine anyway if I play with vsync on 1080p 60hz the fans stay on 0

 

[Angilion]

Apparently it's a matter of which version of the BIOS is on the card. At least some shipped without zero fan, but that can apparently be changed by updating the BIOS.

https://forum.team-mediaportal.com/...x-1070-dual-review.134893/?PageSpeed=noscript

 

[imginy]

I don't think you would be disappointed with the card yeah it looks and feels like a cheap kids toy but it runs quiet at stock and clocks high if you want it to.

I couldn't be happier with my 1080 dual oc.