King coal

[newbiejim]

Scargil and the NUM killed Coal,

I remember, nealy 35 years ago, Scargils "Ratner Moment" the widely televised speech he made when he uttered, with a manic look on his face, the words that I knew at the time would condemn the mining industry to its death...



(Might not have been exactly those words, but it is the gist of what he said)

I knew then that they were finished, the support of the wider general public would be lost for ever.

And the appalling tragedy of it is that actually, HE WAS RIGHT!

he was a miner, he was talking to miners, he had forgotten that he was also talking to the wider public.

I am certain now (As I was at the time) that what he meant was this...

"The only logical depletion policy for a coal mine using longwall is to work it to exhaustion"

Had he actually explained that I am sure the wider public would have understood.


I also think the wider public would have been a whole lot more sympathetic if Scargil had been concerned with, you know, the interests of his unions members rather than his obsession with being some sort of stalinesque revolutionary sending his unions members "over the top" in a futile attempt to overthrow what, at the time was a very popular Conservative government.

The wider public remembered the rolling power cuts of the three day week and they/we were not particularly forgiving over it....

I think you might be mental, you have a memory of 35 years ago which by your own admission is "gist"" rather than fact, you then incredibly have decided what Arthur Scargill "meant", seriously, piling guesswork upon guesswork & then extrapolating from is ludicrous.

Coal wasn't uneconomical and still isn't (I`m not going to justify as i cba & its pointless really), the real criminals got away with damaging this country, & they continue to do so.

 

[Abraxaz1]

Well as the nationalgrid policy is to have a renewable energy majority and having natural gas turbines as spinning production to take up the slack.
RWE are planning to upgrade discotheque with another bolt on turbine and multiple small local grid gas compressors are being planned for near the gas pipelines.

Gas and renewable is the future of the uks power and energy needs. The grid shipped 5x the energy of gas than the electrical grid did in the same period but gets a 10th of the budget.


Plus there is multiple massive offshore windfarms proposed.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Germany are scared of Russia turning off pipeline in the incoming economic scary years.

Ehhh... Germany has been enthusiastically working with Russia to build the Nordstrom 2 pipeline and is really keen to buy Russian oil. Most of what I heard from German politicians was anger at the USA trying to block it with sanctions to bolster USA's own shale oil sales to Europe. Russia really wants to sell as much oil as possible to Europe. It makes Russia money and reduces Europe's willingness to side with the USA on any military tension between the two.

 

[h4rm0ny]

lol, what has any of that got to do with what i said. and yes seeing as a majour pipe runs through ukrain, when they cut the supply they do not deliver the contracted amount to the uk as theres, not enough alternative capacity. So it hurts the entirety of the EU.

What it has to do with what you said is that it removes your example of Russia cutting off the supply to control people (leaving you with no examples) and shows that the Ukraine have done what you accuse others of. Really, Russia WANTS to trade with Germany for mutual gain. The parties that don't want that to happen are the USA (for financial and geo-political reasons) and the Ukraine (for geo-political reasons).

 

[Glaucus]

What it has to do with what you said is that it removes your example of Russia cutting off the supply to control people (leaving you with no examples) and shows that the Ukraine have done what you accuse others of. Really, Russia WANTS to trade with Germany for mutual gain. The parties that don't want that to happen are the USA (for financial and geo-political reasons) and the Ukraine (for geo-political reasons).

no, no it doesn't. it doesn't do anything of the sort. nowhere did I say who was right or not. the fact is Russia has on several occasions cut off the gas supply that has affected the eurozone. nothing you have said changes that fact. it's just utterly bizarre. almost like you are ideologically biased.

 

[h4rm0ny]

no, no it doesn't. it doesn't do anything of the sort. nowhere did I say who was right or not. the fact is Russia has on several occasions cut off the gas supply that has affected the eurozone. nothing you have said changes that fact. it's just utterly bizarre. almost like you are ideologically biased.

When, then? The only time I can recall is the Ukraine not paying situation. When are you referring to?

 

[neil_g]

Have you ever measured the quality of your electricity recently?

actually yes. my UPS does.

it alerted me to a big issue with power stability and brown outs (ooh err). spoke to the supplier and turns out there was an issue with a local substation.

nowt to do with the "type" of electricity supply.

 

[Glaucus]

When, then? The only time I can recall is the Ukraine not paying situation. When are you referring to?

so you agree energy security is an issue one time is enough. So you agree all that rubbish you were talking about was rubbish. But it has happened several times. 2006, 2009, 2010

 

[LabR@t]

Had a brown out coupe years ago, some lights went out TV stayed on. Some stuff worked others didn't.