That would be a no then?
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That would be a no then?
Same question to you
Besides, your question to me was overly broad. "Is there any research that supports your world view?" I'm not sure how I would even begin to answer that.
In this specific arena of discussion, the idea of transgender and more specifically outcomes, both for individuals AND for society at large, is not well known or sufficiently studied to draw firm, scientifically valid conclusions.
Same question to you
Besides, your question to me was overly broad. "Is there any research that supports your world view?" I'm not sure how I would even begin to answer that.
In this specific arena of discussion, the idea of transgender and more specifically outcomes, both for individuals AND for society at large, is not well known or sufficiently studied to draw firm, scientifically valid conclusions.
I was just hoping that after questioning one set of research you might have some of your own. I’m not questioning the validity of research so I am not entirely sure why I would need to supply more?
I think you'll find I questioned using a single piece of research to draw firm conclusions. There is a danger in doing so that the research may have set out to draw a particular set of conclusions from the outset, and without corroborating research you must be cautious. Whether or not the research was influenced by an outside source, you still have inherent bias in the academic, and it is possible to interpret data points in a variety of ways in any case.
Thus one study on its own is never going to be enough. Esp if the study is narrowly targeted to produce "favourable" results.
In medicine you have to do multiple trials to establish that a drug is effective and reliable, in a wide variety of patients. In other research you generally need more than one study to prove something conclusively as fact.
Probably the same way you did... A search of research papers.
In other news..... You might be advised to not employ implied casual rasicm (others might say 'Islamophobia') in dissmissing my source based on the country of origin of its authors ....
(presumably you think any Iranian study would be biased against reporting anything supporting the 'trans' narrative?)
Because if you had done your homework you might have noticed that the Iranian state is somewhat supportive of the view that there are people who are born into the 'wrong' bodies and that this can be 'fixed' by gender reassignment surgery and hormones. Unfortunately combined with the death penalty for homosexuality this policy has lead to some interesting results...
'But Iran is also the only Muslim country in the Persian Gulf region that gives trans citizens the right to have their gender identity recognised by the law. In fact, the Islamic Republic of Iran not only allows sex reassignment, but also subsidises it.'
' In 2008, the BBC reported that Iran was second only to Thailand in the number of sex-change operations performed'
https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexua...heres-only-one-way-survive-transgender-person
It is also a country rapidly asending the ranks for output and citation of its research papers....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3732862/
Of course I'm not suggesting being trans is just fine and dandy in Iran (the article clearly sets out how it is not) but your implied suggestion that the article I cited was not trustworthy solely because it was from research conducted in Iran might not quite stand up to scrutiny in light of the countries official position on trans issues where people have been able to legally have their legal documents changed to reflect their personal beliefs Re their sexual identity for far longer then in the UK or most States in the USA (where some states still prohibit the practise of changing a sex listed on a birth certificate in any circumstances ) ......
But back to your citied article and without leaving the first author listed on the paper...
'Kristina R. Olson'
We can all have a look at her twitter feed and have a good laugh at the claim made in the paper regarding any potential conflicts of interest
'POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST: The authors have indicated they have no potential conflicts of interest to disclose'
Given that her twitter feed is jammed full of Re tweets for pro trans lobby matters in between tacitly celebrating that (her native? ) Seattle is a place where white people will soon very much be in a minority because people 'diversity' means that less/no white people is a good thing but this never works when applied to any other ethnic group much like more women then men going to university is something to be celebrated but less women in executive jobs is bad and is due to the socially constructed evil 'patriarchy' and not anything to do with sexiual diamorphism and the different choices it leads (biological) men and women to make....
(combined with some biological reality about who incubates and naturally feeds babies)
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This is exactly why I was sceptical of the paper. Iran has a unique take on homosexuality and GRS. Would the people who took part in the study be considered transgender in the west or were they gay people forced into it?
That's a massive overstatement. There's not a single trans-related Tweet on the first page. You really must have done some digging. The last one she tweeted was over a month ago and it didn't even come from the "pro trans lobby".
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Well I'll accept that's a legitimate avenue of assesing a potential flaw in the research...
But your previous post imo could at best be descibed as being totally deficient of any reasoning for your objection as to its source and as such be liable to fair interpretations that it was based in casual dissmisal of a racial/religious group rather than pointing out a potential flaw in the sample group used in the research based on the particular cultural and legal status of the group in said country....
You merely implied the research was not trustworthy because it was from an Iranian source.......
Your suggestion would also imply that the potential (false) insertion of homosexuals (going through a gender reassignment process to avoid penalty for having sexual relations with members of the sex they are attracted to) into the study would result in the study group having higher levels of narcissism then the general population?
Of course you can find other academic sources outside of Iran that support the view of a correlation between narcissism and trans individuals (particularly m2f)
'Self and Gender: Narcissistic Pathology and Personality Factors in Gender Dysphoric Patients. Preliminary Results of a Prospective Study.'
Our preliminary results indicate significant psychopathological aspects and narcissistic dysregulation in most of our gender dysphoric patients
And From the Conclusions.....
'We could identify a significant narcissistic pathology in most of our patients'
I don't think that too many cis, homosexual people in Germany/ Europe have had sex change operations to avoid social and or legal consequences.....
With regards to the twitter account of one of the authors of the work you cited I'll just leave it to any forum members interested to draw their own conclusions....
I suggest that a look at her twiter feed (yes looking back over a few months which include multiple examples of what I suggest are relevant Re tweets) paint a picture of someone with a particular bias for personally supporting perceived trans lobby issues rather than a person interested in finding objective truth.
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