For the 4th year in a row, White Males are disadvantaged at university. Claims UCAS

XeNoN89 said:
Not surprised they aren't applying considering that white males are the enemy to all the ridiculous leftist lunatics that have taken over most universities
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Without any investigation into why they aren’t applying, this is just your own wild speculation.
 
XeNoN89 said:
Not surprised they aren't applying considering that white males are the enemy to all the ridiculous leftist lunatics that have taken over most universities
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Haven't universities always been left leaning, at least in the last 20ish years. And pointing out problems with a group in society isn't making them the 'enemy'.
 
dowie said:
this is for universities as a whole... including "universities" that advertise on the side of buses etc...

you might well get a different picture if you were to look at just the top universities etc..

I suspect that white working class males are still happy to go into trades etc...
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Wow, you can actually feel the condescension from this post.
 
LeMson said:
Should I change from white to chinese on my ucas application then?
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Ever considered there may also be cultural reasons for some of this? I don’t think Chinese is generally considered when “disadvantaged minorities” is discussed.

There is a problem in general for men in education. In ore recent years the push towards coursework and away from exams has helped create this shift. In general boys are better at exams, girls are better at coursework. In the past assessments used to be almost exclusively exam based, in more recent times that has changed to majority coursework based. Perhaps there needs to be a push back a more even footing so boys and girls can be tested on equal footings?

There’s also the question of whether girls are being preferentially picked over boys in for university places. I honestly don’t think that’s the case. Girls generally get better marks than boys at school (see abound about exam/coursework) and as such would appear better than the average Bou on paper.

As for the enthnicity side of things, there’s almost certainly a lot more than “positive” discrimination going on.
 
LateX'Dog said:
Helping remove the stigma around white males at university will help. Stop spreading the myth that white males are oppressors, rapists and beneficiaries of white privilege and start bringing people together, rather then driving them apart.
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Have you ever studied at uni?

Outside of a couple of vocal nutbags that get lots of advertising from “right wingers” using them as examples of how the “left” are bad there really isn’t a stigma or feeling of “white privilege”.
 
Amp34 said:
Ever considered there may also be cultural reasons for some of this? I don’t think Chinese is generally considered when “disadvantaged minorities” is discussed.

There is a problem in general for men in education. In ore recent years the push towards coursework and away from exams has helped create this shift. In general boys are better at exams, girls are better at coursework. In the past assessments used to be almost exclusively exam based, in more recent times that has changed to majority coursework based. Perhaps there needs to be a push back a more even footing so boys and girls can be tested on equal footings?

There’s also the question of whether girls are being preferentially picked over boys in for university places. I honestly don’t think that’s the case. Girls generally get better marks than boys at school (see abound about exam/coursework) and as such would appear better than the average Bou on paper.

As for the enthnicity side of things, there’s almost certainly a lot more than “positive” discrimination going on.
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positive discrimination code for anti white racism, you know the one that's allowed.
 
Amp34 said:
There is a problem in general for men in education. In ore recent years the push towards coursework and away from exams has helped create this shift. In general boys are better at exams, girls are better at coursework. In the past assessments used to be almost exclusively exam based, in more recent times that has changed to majority coursework based. Perhaps there needs to be a push back a more even footing so boys and girls can be tested on equal footings?
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It depends on whether the means of testing is relevant to the test. If it’s meaningful to test via coursework, and it’s of value to know that someone achieved a result via coursework, then it’s not an equal footing to test boys via exams just because they test well that way. You can’t test things in a certain way to make it easier for a particular group of that means of testing isn’t a good representation of how the subject being tested is used in the real world.

It probably depends a lot on the subject in question, really.
 
Vonhelmet said:
It depends on whether the means of testing is relevant to the test. If it’s meaningful to test via coursework, and it’s of value to know that someone achieved a result via coursework, then it’s not an equal footing to test boys via exams just because they test well that way. You can’t test things in a certain way to make it easier for a particular group of that means of testing isn’t a good representation of how the subject being tested is used in the real world.

It probably depends a lot on the subject in question, really.
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It would very much depend on the subject, but at the same time both are relevant (and irrelevant) for most subjects.

The way students are assessed has been a political pawn for a couple of decades, and the results can clearly be seen.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/boys-catching-up-with-girls-in-gcse-exam-performance-new-results-show-10464115.html?amp

Coursework and continuous assessments were in part brought in because exams disadvantaged girls. That ended up going full circle and now (for equality or politics) is being pushed back the other way.

We know that boys are generally getting worse grades than girls, which is almost certainly impacting their decision to go to university. We also know there is a direct correlation between assessment type and grade. Trying to put in place a system that makes sense for the subject, while disadvantaging neither group is a good way to go IMO.

Then we just need to solve the attitude disparities between rich and poor, and ethnic groups. :p

After that perhaps poor white males may start making more of a mark at universities.
 
So, it turns out that everyone can play the victim, not just women, ethnic minorities, and so on.
 
Amp34 said:
Ever considered there may also be cultural reasons for some of this? I don’t think Chinese is generally considered when “disadvantaged minorities” is discussed.

There is a problem in general for men in education. In ore recent years the push towards coursework and away from exams has helped create this shift. In general boys are better at exams, girls are better at coursework. In the past assessments used to be almost exclusively exam based, in more recent times that has changed to majority coursework based. Perhaps there needs to be a push back a more even footing so boys and girls can be tested on equal footings?

There’s also the question of whether girls are being preferentially picked over boys in for university places. I honestly don’t think that’s the case. Girls generally get better marks than boys at school (see abound about exam/coursework) and as such would appear better than the average Bou on paper.

As for the enthnicity side of things, there’s almost certainly a lot more than “positive” discrimination going on.
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Is that a yes or no then? :-P
 
amigafan2003 said:
Wow, you can actually feel the condescension from this post.
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it's true though... I quoted before that at the top university in the UK (Cambridge) only 15 black males were admitted in 2015, lets look at the worst university in the UK (the one I used to live near and could observe plenty of non-white people) sure enough the stats reflect my observations:

London Met said:
60.1% were from a black or minority ethnic background
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http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/about/our-university/university-publications/key-statistics/

on the other hand most tradespeople I've dealt with in London (and indeed most I've seen around the various new sky scrapers in the city) are white people

remember these figures are dealing with applications so it simply seems that lower down the scale more white people are choosing not to pursue university whereas even minorities who've performed badly academically will be more likely to still apply
 
Nasher said:
But no one cares if you aren't one of those.
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Well so far we have 'victims' from people of the following groups:
BAME
Women
Believers in God/different religions
Class
White males
LGBT
Atheists

So pretty much everyone can play the victim, just using a different card.
 
Raz said:
Well so far we have 'victims' from people of the following groups:
BAME
Women
Believers in God/different religions
Class
White males
LGBT
Atheists

So pretty much everyone can play the victim, just using a different card.
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Yes but some cards trump others, white male is at the bottom.

So if you are a white male you need another trump card to go with it. The white male card on it's own ticks no "equality" quota boxes either.
 
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