For the 4th year in a row, White Males are disadvantaged at university. Claims UCAS

Yes but some cards trump others, white male is at the bottom.

So if you are a white male you need another trump card to go with it. The white male card on it's own ticks no "equality" quota boxes either.
You have to be a pretty dismal failure to struggle as a white man in a white man’s world.
 
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^ Genuinely thought that had to be a fake / hoax.

I'm probably seen as one of those leftie liberal loon types on here but that's a seriously :rolleyes: moment. Pretty sad that UCL apologised too.
 
^ Genuinely thought that had to be a fake / hoax.

I'm probably seen as one of those leftie liberal loon types on here but that's a seriously :rolleyes: moment. Pretty sad that UCL apologised too.

Yes apparently taking things in pragmatic context is beyond people these days, they'd sooner take offense where none is intended.
 
Yes apparently taking things in pragmatic context is beyond people these days, they'd sooner take offense where none is intended.

Unfortunately social media seems to encourage echo chamber type behaviour (on both sides). Part of the reason I steer clear of it as much as I can.
 
Indeed, if they'd just put "Dreaming of a white campus?" and therefore left some room for ambiguity then I could perhaps see the need for the apology/clarification, but the original tweet wasn't ambiguous and the hashtags referencing snow made it absolutely clear... of course given the state of university campuses these days they got complaints.
 
White men aren't falling for the eternal debt trap. If you haven't got the chops for a proper university degree with good job prospects then you're much better off moving into a skilled trade.

Except nobody wants to do those things apprenticeships are at an all time low. Its a degree or you're nothing in this country despite that fact that most tradesmen make good money.
 
Except nobody wants to do those things apprenticeships are at an all time low. Its a degree or you're nothing in this country despite that fact that most tradesmen make good money.

well exactly, so it isn't a degree or you're nothing - in many cases plenty of these degrees aren't worth much at all and only serve to get the holders a uni/student experience for a few years and 5 figures worth of debt, whereas someone who chose a trade ends up in a much better position
 
Yes but some cards trump others, white male is at the bottom.

So if you are a white male you need another trump card to go with it. The white male card on it's own ticks no "equality" quota boxes either.

See, the problem is that when most people don't get what they want they need to blame something.

E.g. I didn't get this job as I'm black/Muslim/a woman/gay/white/etc.

Yes discrimination exists because there are some not so nice people out there.

Not applying to go to university because you see no reason to, are not academic or don't want to be an outcast in your community is your decision and doesn't prove perceived discrimination.

In some ways the whole PC culture has gone too far, but these reports are more about white males not applying than while males being discriminated against.

As an example, a few years ago I worked with a senior director to understand why certain staff members (middle-aged BAME women) in his area were stuck in low grade jobs and not applying for higher grades or being successful at interview. The director felt that these staff were mostly ready to move on promotion. The response from an internal survey hinted towards discrimination (mainly racism and sexism...). An indepth review however found that staff members were put off from applying because:

a) some of the language used in job adverts appeared to be aimed towards men
b) they weren't confident in using some of the language/words used in applications and at interviews (key words etc)

There were a few more but I've highlighted these two. The first isn't intended discrimination (e.g. there's a review by Pearn Kondola about the language used in job adverts) while the second was dealt with by mentoring and coaching.

Basically on the surface it looked like there was some form of discrimination occurring but in reality it wasn't the case.
 
See, the problem is that when most people don't get what they want they need to blame something.

E.g. I didn't get this job as I'm black/Muslim/a woman/gay/white/etc.

Yes discrimination exists because there are some not so nice people out there.

Not applying to go to university because you see no reason to, are not academic or don't want to be an outcast in your community is your decision and doesn't prove perceived discrimination.

In some ways the whole PC culture has gone too far, but these reports are more about white males not applying than while males being discriminated against.

As an example, a few years ago I worked with a senior director to understand why certain staff members (middle-aged BAME women) in his area were stuck in low grade jobs and not applying for higher grades or being successful at interview. The director felt that these staff were mostly ready to move on promotion. The response from an internal survey hinted towards discrimination (mainly racism and sexism...). An indepth review however found that staff members were put off from applying because:

a) some of the language used in job adverts appeared to be aimed towards men
b) they weren't confident in using some of the language/words used in applications and at interviews (key words etc)

There were a few more but I've highlighted these two. The first isn't intended discrimination (e.g. there's a review by Pearn Kondola about the language used in job adverts) while the second was dealt with by mentoring and coaching.

Basically on the surface it looked like there was some form of discrimination occurring but in reality it wasn't the case.
Is it that men in general are more likely to shoot higher than their ability suggests whereas women are more likely to downplay their ability on the whole?

So when an internal promotion presents itself, a man is just going to have a go at it even if some of their skills might be lacking. Even if the women may or may not also have a few desired skills missing most companies will happily come to some arrangement of the candidate seems good enough.
 
In this thread's topic, the evidence is suggesting that (white) men don't even bother to apply for university. That suggests under-shooting, rather than over-shooting.
 
In this thread's topic, the evidence is suggesting that (white) men don't even bother to apply for university. That suggests under-shooting, rather than over-shooting.

The evidence from this thread is that white men don't believe that they need to go to university to succeed in life. Maybe that's overconfidence in itself?
 
The evidence from this thread is that white men don't believe that they need to go to university to succeed in life. Maybe that's overconfidence in itself?

I don't think it is overconfidence tbh... quite the opposite - it seems more like the disproportionate number of minorities wanting to get into debt for say a degree form London Met are the ones who are overconfident about their prospects.
 
I don't think it is overconfidence tbh... quite the opposite - it seems more like the disproportionate number of minorities wanting to get into debt for say a degree form London Met are the ones who are overconfident about their prospects.

There may be more pressure from parents as well as degrees are still seen as a minimum to study for.
 
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